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From: Lee Jones <lee@kernel.org>
To: David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com>
Cc: Rasmus Villemoes <linux@rasmusvillemoes.dk>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org"
	<linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
	Crutcher Dunnavant <crutcher+kernel@datastacks.com>,
	Juergen Quade <quade@hsnr.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] lib/vsprintf: Implement ssprintf() to catch truncated strings
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2024 09:52:37 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240129095237.GC1708181@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7054dcbfb7214665afedaea93ce4dbad@AcuMS.aculab.com>

On Mon, 29 Jan 2024, David Laight wrote:

> ...
> > > I'm sure that the safest return for 'truncated' is the buffer length.
> > > The a series of statements like:
> > > 	buf += xxx(buf, buf_end - buf, .....);
> > > can all be called with a single overflow check at the end.
> > >
> > > Forget the check, and the length just contains a trailing '\0'
> > > which might cause confusion but isn't going to immediately
> > > break the world.
> > 
> > snprintf() does this and has been proven to cause buffer-overflows.
> > There have been multiple articles authored describing why using
> > snprintf() is not generally a good idea for the masses including the 2
> > linked in the commit message:
> 
> snprintf() returns the number of bytes that would have been output [1].
> I'm not suggesting that, or not terminating the buffer.
> Just returning the length including the '\0' (unless length was zero).
> This still lets the code check for overflow but isn't going to
> generate a pointer outside the buffer if used to update a pointer.

I see.  Well I'm not married to my solution.  However, I am convinced
that the 2 solutions currently offered can be improved upon.  If you or
anyone else has a better solution, I'd be more than happy to implement
and switch to it.

Let me have a think about the solution you suggest and get back to you.

> [1] I'm pretty certain this is because the original libc version
> of sprintf() allocated a FILE structure on stack (fully buffered)
> and called fprintf().
> snprintf() would have been done the same way but with something
> to stop the buffer being flushed.

Interesting.  Thanks for the background.

-- 
Lee Jones [李琼斯]

  reply	other threads:[~2024-01-29  9:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-25  8:39 [PATCH 1/1] lib/vsprintf: Implement ssprintf() to catch truncated strings Lee Jones
2024-01-25  9:04 ` Rasmus Villemoes
2024-01-25 10:36   ` Lee Jones
2024-01-27 14:32     ` David Laight
2024-01-29  9:24       ` Lee Jones
2024-01-29  9:39         ` David Laight
2024-01-29  9:52           ` Lee Jones [this message]
2024-01-30 15:07             ` Lee Jones
2024-01-30 15:18               ` Rasmus Villemoes
2024-01-30 15:53                 ` Lee Jones
2024-02-08 16:24                   ` Petr Mladek
2024-02-08 17:05                     ` Lee Jones
2024-01-30 21:55                 ` Kees Cook
2024-01-31  8:36                   ` Lee Jones
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2024-01-29  9:27 Lee Jones
2024-01-29  9:31 ` Lee Jones

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