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From: Rand Deeb <rand.sec96@gmail.com>
To: m@bues.ch
Cc: deeb.rand@confident.ru, jonas.gorski@gmail.com,
	khoroshilov@ispras.ru, kvalo@kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org,
	lvc-project@linuxtesting.org, rand.sec96@gmail.com,
	voskresenski.stanislav@confident.ru
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] ssb: Fix potential NULL pointer dereference in ssb_device_uevent
Date: Fri,  8 Mar 2024 00:19:28 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240307211928.170877-1-rand.sec96@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240307192405.34aa9841@barney>


On Thu, Mar 7, 2024 at 9:24 PM Michael Büsch <m@bues.ch> wrote:

> There is only one reason to eliminate NULL checks:
> In extremely performance critical code, if it improves performance
> significantly and it is clearly documented that the pointer can never be NULL.
>
> This is not that case here. This is not critical code.

Hi Michael, thank you for your collaboration and feedback.
Yes, I agree, this is not critical code, but what's the point of leaving 
redundant conditions even if they won't make a significant performance 
difference, regardless of the policy (In other words, as a friendly 
discussion) ?
Please take a look at https://git.kernel.org/netdev/net-next/c/92fc97ae9cfd
same situation but it has been applied ! why ?


> Having NULL checks is defensive programming.
> Removing NULL checks is a hazard.
> Not having these checks is a big part of why security sucks in today's software.

I understand and respect your point of view as software engineer but it's a
matter of design problems which is not our case here.
Defensive programming is typically applied when there's a potential risk, 
but in our scenario, it's impossible for 'dev' to be NULL. If we adopt this
approach as a form of defensive programming, we'd find ourselves adding 
similar conditions to numerous functions and parameters. Moreover, this 
would unnecessarily complicate the codebase, especially during reviews. For
instance, encountering such a condition might lead one to assume that 'dev'
could indeed be NULL before reaching this function. That's my viewpoint.

> V3 shall be applied, because it fixes a clear bug. Whether this bug can actually
> be triggered or not in today's kernel doesn't matter.

so would you recommend fix the commit message as Jeff Johnson recommended ?
or just keep it as it is ?

--
Best Regards
Rand Deeb

  reply	other threads:[~2024-03-07 21:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-06 12:30 [PATCH v3] ssb: Fix potential NULL pointer dereference in ssb_device_uevent Rand Deeb
2024-03-06 15:54 ` Jeff Johnson
2024-03-06 19:51 ` Jonas Gorski
2024-03-07 13:41   ` Rand Deeb
2024-03-07 18:24     ` Michael Büsch
2024-03-07 21:19       ` Rand Deeb [this message]
2024-03-07 21:38         ` Michael Büsch
2024-03-07 22:02           ` James Dutton
2024-03-08  4:50             ` Michael Büsch
2024-03-07 23:29           ` Rand Deeb
2024-03-08  1:04             ` James Dutton
2024-03-08 12:11               ` Rand Deeb
2024-03-08  5:09             ` Michael Büsch
2024-03-08 11:36               ` Rand Deeb
2024-03-08 15:44                 ` Michael Büsch
2024-03-12 15:31 ` [v3] ssb: Fix potential NULL pointer dereference in ssb_device_uevent() Kalle Valo

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