From: "Michael Büsch" <m@bues.ch>
To: Rand Deeb <rand.sec96@gmail.com>
Cc: deeb.rand@confident.ru, jonas.gorski@gmail.com,
khoroshilov@ispras.ru, kvalo@kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org,
lvc-project@linuxtesting.org,
voskresenski.stanislav@confident.ru, james.dutton@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] ssb: Fix potential NULL pointer dereference in ssb_device_uevent
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2024 06:09:43 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240308060943.2410ef2e@barney> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240307232927.171197-1-rand.sec96@gmail.com>
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On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 02:29:27 +0300
Rand Deeb <rand.sec96@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2024 at 12:39 AM Michael Büsch <m@bues.ch> wrote:
>
> > The point is that leaving them in is defensive programming against future changes
> > or against possible misunderstandings of the situation.
>
> Dear Michael, I understand your point. It's essential to consider defensive
> programming principles to anticipate and mitigate potential issues in the
> future. However, it's also crucial to strike a balance and not overburden
> every function with excessive checks. It's about adopting a mindset of
> anticipating potential problems while also maintaining code clarity and
> efficiency.
Removing NULL checks is the opposite of maintainability and code clarity.
Efficiency doesn't matter here. (And besides that, NULL checks do not always mean less efficiency.)
> > A NULL pointer dereference is Undefined Behavior.
> > It can't get much worse in C.
>
> Again, If we adopt this approach, we'll find ourselves adding a null check
> to every function we write, assuming that such changes may occur in the
> future.
This would be a good thing.
Let the compiler remove redundant checks or let them stay there in the resulting
program, if the compiler can't fiure it out.
Checks are a good thing.
> > Your suggestion was about REMOVING a null pointer check.
> > Not about adding one.
> > I NAK-ed the REMOVAL of a null pointer check. Not the addition.
>
> My suggestion was to remove a (REDUNDANT) null pointer check, and not a
> null pointer check, there is a big difference.
No. There is no difference.
> However, if the reviewer encounters this check, they
> might mistakenly assume that 'dev' could indeed be NULL before the function
> call.
So? Nothing would happen.
> Conversely, if they read that 'dev' cannot be NULL, it could lead to
> confusion, and perhaps they want the actual null check. Removing redundant
> checks could mitigate confusion and minimize the risk of overlooking the
> actual null check for example.
I fundamentally disagree.
Removing a NULL check _adds_ confusion.
NULL is "the billion mistake" of computing.
Please don't ever make it worse.
Thanks.
I will not ack a patch that reduces code quality.
Removing NULL checks almost always reduces the quality of the code.
--
Michael Büsch
https://bues.ch/
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-03-08 5:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-03-06 12:30 [PATCH v3] ssb: Fix potential NULL pointer dereference in ssb_device_uevent Rand Deeb
2024-03-06 15:54 ` Jeff Johnson
2024-03-06 19:51 ` Jonas Gorski
2024-03-07 13:41 ` Rand Deeb
2024-03-07 18:24 ` Michael Büsch
2024-03-07 21:19 ` Rand Deeb
2024-03-07 21:38 ` Michael Büsch
2024-03-07 22:02 ` James Dutton
2024-03-08 4:50 ` Michael Büsch
2024-03-07 23:29 ` Rand Deeb
2024-03-08 1:04 ` James Dutton
2024-03-08 12:11 ` Rand Deeb
2024-03-08 5:09 ` Michael Büsch [this message]
2024-03-08 11:36 ` Rand Deeb
2024-03-08 15:44 ` Michael Büsch
2024-03-12 15:31 ` [v3] ssb: Fix potential NULL pointer dereference in ssb_device_uevent() Kalle Valo
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