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From: Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@collabora.com>
To: Liviu Dudau <liviu.dudau@arm.com>
Cc: "Adrián Larumbe" <adrian.larumbe@collabora.com>,
	"Steven Price" <steven.price@arm.com>,
	"Maarten Lankhorst" <maarten.lankhorst@linux.intel.com>,
	"Maxime Ripard" <mripard@kernel.org>,
	"Thomas Zimmermann" <tzimmermann@suse.de>,
	"David Airlie" <airlied@gmail.com>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	kernel@collabora.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	"Mihail Atanassov" <Mihail.Atanassov@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] drm/panthor: Add support for performance counters
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2024 16:15:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240308161515.1d74fd55@collabora.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZesYErFVdqLyjblW@e110455-lin.cambridge.arm.com>

On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 13:52:18 +0000
Liviu Dudau <liviu.dudau@arm.com> wrote:

> Hi Adrián,
> 
> Thanks for the patch and appologies for taking a bit longer to respond,
> I was trying to gather some internal Arm feedback before replying.
> 
> On Tue, Mar 05, 2024 at 04:58:16PM +0000, Adrián Larumbe wrote:
> > This brings in support for Panthor's HW performance counters and querying
> > them from UM through a specific ioctl(). The code is inspired by existing
> > functionality for the Panfrost driver, with some noteworthy differences:
> > 
> >  - Sample size is now reported by the firmware rather than having to reckon
> >  it by hand
> >  - Counter samples are chained in a ring buffer that can be accessed
> >  concurrently, but only from threads within a single context (this is
> >  because of a HW limitation).
> >  - List of enabled counters must be explicitly told from UM
> >  - Rather than allocating the BO that will contain the perfcounter values
> >  in the render context's address space, the samples ring buffer is mapped
> >  onto the MCU's VM.
> >  - If more than one thread within the same context tries to dump a sample,
> >  then the kernel will copy the same frame to every single thread that was
> >  able to join the dump queue right before the FW finished processing the
> >  sample request.
> >  - UM must provide a BO handle for retrieval of perfcnt values rather
> >  than passing a user virtual address.
> > 
> > The reason multicontext access to the driver's perfcnt ioctl interface
> > isn't tolerated is because toggling a different set of counters than the
> > current one implies a counter reset, which also messes up with the ring
> > buffer's extraction and insertion pointers. This is an unfortunate
> > hardware limitation.  
> 
> There are a few issues that we would like to improve with this patch.
> 
> I'm not sure what user space app has been used for testing this (I'm guessing
> gputop from igt?) but whatever is used it needs to understand the counters
> being exposed.

We are using perfetto to expose perfcounters.

> In your patch there is no information given to the user space
> about the layout of the counters and / or their order. Where is this being
> planned to be defined?

That's done on purpose. We want to keep the kernel side as dumb as
possible so we don't have to maintain a perfcounter database there. All
the kernel needs to know is how much data it should transfer pass to
userspace, and that's pretty much it.

> Long term, I think it would be good to have details
> about the counters available.

The perfcounter definitions are currently declared in mesa (see the G57
perfcounter definitions for instance [1]). Mesa also contains a perfetto
datasource for Panfrost [2].

> 
> The other issue we can see is with the perfcnt_process_sample() and its
> handling of threshold event and overflows. If the userspace doesn't sample
> quick enough and we cross the threshold we are going to lose samples and
> there is no mechanism to communicate to user space that the values they
> are getting have gaps. I believe the default mode for the firmware is to
> give you counter values relative to the last read value, so if you drop
> samples you're not going to make any sense of the data.

If we get relative values, that's indeed a problem. I thought we were
getting absolute values though, in which case, if you miss two 32-bit
wraparounds, either your sampling rate is very slow, or events occur at
a high rate.

> 
> The third topic that is worth discussing is the runtime PM. Currently your
> patch will increment the runtime PM usage count when the performance
> counter dump is enabled, which means you will not be able to instrument
> your power saving modes. It might not be a concern for the current users
> of the driver, but it is worth discussing how to enable that workflow
> for future.

I guess we could add a flags field to drm_panthor_perfcnt_config and
declare a DRM_PANTHOR_PERFCNT_CFG_ALLOW_GPU_SUSPEND flag to support this
use case.

[1]https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/blob/main/src/panfrost/perf/G57.xml?ref_type=heads
[2]https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/tree/main/src/panfrost/ds?ref_type=heads

  reply	other threads:[~2024-03-08 15:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-05 16:58 [PATCH] drm/panthor: Add support for performance counters Adrián Larumbe
2024-03-08 13:52 ` Liviu Dudau
2024-03-08 15:15   ` Boris Brezillon [this message]
2024-03-08 17:02     ` Liviu Dudau
2024-03-08 18:07       ` Boris Brezillon
2024-03-08 21:26 ` Mihail Atanassov

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