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From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: Andy Gospodarek <andrew.gospodarek@broadcom.com>
Cc: David Ahern <dsahern@kernel.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Saeed Mahameed <saeed@kernel.org>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Leon Romanovsky <leonro@nvidia.com>, Jiri Pirko <jiri@nvidia.com>,
	Leonid Bloch <lbloch@nvidia.com>,
	Itay Avraham <itayavr@nvidia.com>,
	Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@nvidia.com>,
	Aron Silverton <aron.silverton@oracle.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V4 0/5] mlx5 ConnectX control misc driver
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2024 13:58:26 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240322135826.1c4655e2@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Zf2n02q0GevGdS-Z@C02YVCJELVCG>

On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 11:46:27 -0400 Andy Gospodarek wrote:
> > > It's the middle of the merge window, not much we can actually do and
> > > this patch series itself couldn't be applied as-is, so it's hard to see
> > > what could have happened on my end...
> > 
> > The proposal was sent a week before the end of the last development
> > cycle, and I believe the intent was to motivate discussion around a
> > concrete proposal to converge on an acceptable solution before sending
> > patches.
> > 
> > On your end, what would be helpful is either a simple yes this seems
> > reasonable or no you don't like it for reasons X, Y, and Z.
> 
> Well said, David.
> 
> I would totally support doing something like this in a fairly generic
> way that could be leveraged/instantiated by drivers that will allow
> communication/inspection of hardware blocks in the datapath.  There are
> lots of different ways this could go, so feedback on this would help get
> us all moving in the right direction.

The more I learn, the more I am convinced that the technical
justifications here are just smoke and mirrors. The main motivation
for nVidia, Broadcom, (and Enfabrica?) being to hide as much as
possible of what you consider your proprietary advantage in the 
"AI gold rush".

RDMA is what it is but I really hate how you're trying to pretend
that it's is somehow an inherent need of advanced technology and
we need to lower the openness standards for all of the kernel.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-03-22 20:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-02-07  7:24 [PATCH V4 0/5] mlx5 ConnectX control misc driver Saeed Mahameed
2024-02-07  7:24 ` [PATCH V4 1/5] mlx5: Add aux dev for ctl interface Saeed Mahameed
2024-02-07  7:24 ` [PATCH V4 2/5] misc: mlx5ctl: Add mlx5ctl misc driver Saeed Mahameed
2024-02-29 11:44   ` Vegard Nossum
2024-03-02  8:04     ` Saeed Mahameed
2024-02-07  7:24 ` [PATCH V4 3/5] misc: mlx5ctl: Add info ioctl Saeed Mahameed
2024-02-29 11:47   ` Vegard Nossum
2024-03-02  8:03     ` Saeed Mahameed
2024-02-07  7:24 ` [PATCH V4 4/5] misc: mlx5ctl: Add command rpc ioctl Saeed Mahameed
2024-02-29 11:49   ` Vegard Nossum
2024-03-02  7:48     ` Saeed Mahameed
2024-02-07  7:24 ` [PATCH V4 5/5] misc: mlx5ctl: Add umem reg/unreg ioctl Saeed Mahameed
2024-02-29 11:51   ` Vegard Nossum
2024-02-07 15:03 ` [PATCH V4 0/5] mlx5 ConnectX control misc driver Jakub Kicinski
2024-02-08  5:03   ` Saeed Mahameed
2024-02-09  2:15     ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-02-09  6:55       ` Jiri Pirko
2024-02-09 22:42       ` David Ahern
2024-02-09 22:58         ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-02-10  5:01           ` David Ahern
2024-02-11 11:03             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-02-11 17:01               ` David Ahern
2024-02-14 20:31             ` David Ahern
2024-02-15  0:46               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-02-10  1:01         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-02-11 16:59           ` David Ahern
2024-02-14  8:29 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-02-14 15:48   ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-02-15  7:00     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-02-15 12:08       ` Jiri Pirko
2024-02-16  1:00       ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-02-16 15:05         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-02-15 13:21     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-02-16  1:10       ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-02-16  4:20         ` David Ahern
2024-02-16 19:04         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-02-14 16:17   ` Andy Gospodarek
2024-02-14 17:57     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-02-14 18:11       ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-02-14 18:37         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-02-16  1:40           ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-02-16 14:27             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-04 16:02       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-22  3:23         ` David Ahern
2024-03-22  7:32           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-03-22 15:24             ` David Ahern
2024-03-22 15:46               ` Andy Gospodarek
2024-03-22 20:58                 ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2024-03-22 21:18                   ` David Ahern
2024-03-22 22:40                     ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-03-26 14:57                       ` David Ahern
2024-04-01 12:30                         ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-04-01 14:50                           ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-01 18:10                             ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-04-01 19:04                               ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-02 19:20                                 ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-04-02 18:45                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-02 21:36                               ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-02 22:46                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-02 23:21                                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-03  0:15                                     ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-03  6:57                                       ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-04-02 16:32                         ` Edward Cree
2024-04-02 18:40                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-03 19:28                             ` David Ahern
2024-04-04 17:35                             ` Edward Cree
2024-04-04 18:33                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-04 19:31                                 ` Edward Cree
2024-04-05 11:21                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-04 19:53                                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-04 20:44                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-04 21:34                                     ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-05 11:13                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-05 15:38                                         ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-05 17:48                                           ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-08 16:45                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-08 16:41                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-04 18:44                               ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-04 20:25                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-04 20:53                                   ` Edward Cree
2024-04-05 11:00                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-02 18:48                           ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-04-03 12:26                             ` Edward Cree
2024-04-03 19:00                               ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-04-03 19:31                                 ` David Ahern
2024-04-04  0:01                                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-04  3:57                                     ` David Ahern
2024-04-04 12:23                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-04 14:48                                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-04 17:47                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-04 18:06                                           ` Edward Cree
2024-04-04 18:35                                             ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-04-04 19:46                                               ` Edward Cree
2024-04-05 10:41                                                 ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-04-08  8:02                                                   ` Przemek Kitszel
2024-03-22 21:44                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-22 22:29                     ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-03-23  1:27                       ` Saeed Mahameed
2024-03-23  1:33                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-22 14:53           ` Aron Silverton
2024-04-30  1:36         ` David Ahern
2024-04-30  7:09           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman

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