From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D546F1CD00; Fri, 22 Mar 2024 22:40:29 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1711147229; cv=none; b=TfvyFE/DDTxmG60UkMUoAh9XER0kmE8uh2txlMAWyZJFg83FfHUHfGQcFYrqGxsN0auRpgDYeq3cw8ZiSYYBqZ8jymNzBlb9lgzNf5JKeBwH+bTSaX/8XARP5DKzRAW+nGFN7QskZ3g7LFoig1hPN8pca9uHpyQpI8hjQJH61A0= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1711147229; c=relaxed/simple; bh=HE4o6Ei+IAibzVmwUO2PTyjRZtSjmEv+wCxxrI6+tGs=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=aCEaV1ADSrgCOebHqHbtR6R215FaGqzC01Y28vCQa9iF3vV0aNzodoelHhWCwtenW/EQPf21MjHk9va4H5k7yq/eUas3mEIHZMjXNKXi6XcBdYssbiKgAyaRaNkXAihOlxgwG7JvgpXUkie/Trja7qvPd86xEoroDP6DyQpKsUQ= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=AswFhRNY; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="AswFhRNY" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C2945C433F1; Fri, 22 Mar 2024 22:40:28 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1711147229; bh=HE4o6Ei+IAibzVmwUO2PTyjRZtSjmEv+wCxxrI6+tGs=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=AswFhRNYr0sQGvqmIWUxR0Fxj3Oi1eB4Pr7c3dHAVzm6X/Npi4pd1rTJbIWpcyzRC TXX5RN0bcSKAQUWdwXGx0VMTqzCQYFDdqQvd65MFEhpBBgAT2l7IM/RbAl868tMJ+m mhBZRfDgjnRALFv5b2alSOVS6vFRcoGMOAHOe5wQKTQ9biylxghalY2JIQIC+8ZKR4 d+VrZJwXLHMccxIpQCe1J6oFLy4ho3SSeklWF9ySaxU9EeLRXtDTlj0Y+7WhRoVSFh pJfVHfijRAwfoS4Nu51qiVEuMbHtHMj/g0oTomcCo88HgIYlRpJZBWxSpt6n24gU86 BS+0Nn1Ci2swg== Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2024 15:40:27 -0700 From: Jakub Kicinski To: David Ahern Cc: Greg Kroah-Hartman , Jason Gunthorpe , Christoph Hellwig , Saeed Mahameed , Arnd Bergmann , Leon Romanovsky , Jiri Pirko , Leonid Bloch , Itay Avraham , Saeed Mahameed , Aron Silverton , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "netdev@vger.kernel.org" , Andy Gospodarek Subject: Re: [PATCH V4 0/5] mlx5 ConnectX control misc driver Message-ID: <20240322154027.5555780a@kernel.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20240207072435.14182-1-saeed@kernel.org> <20240214175735.GG1088888@nvidia.com> <20240304160237.GA2909161@nvidia.com> <9cc7127f-8674-43bc-b4d7-b1c4c2d96fed@kernel.org> <2024032248-ardently-ribcage-a495@gregkh> <510c1b6b-1738-4baa-bdba-54d478633598@kernel.org> <20240322135826.1c4655e2@kernel.org> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 15:18:09 -0600 David Ahern wrote: > can you respond to Jason's email with the proposal for the new fwctl > subsystem and identify places you do not agree? That would provide more > concrete discussion points. Thanks, Respond in what way, David? Comment on technical aspects of whether a common class device with a discovery mechanism and a sprinkling of semantically meaningless fields can be implemented? Some trivial object hierarchy? On whether someone can actually enforce any of the 4 "don't"s, and whether this interface is basically encouraging and giving a leg up to those willing to be dishonest? Or should we go for another loop of me talking about openness and building common abstractions, and vendors saying how their way of doing basic configuration is so very special, and this is just for debug and security and because others. There's absolutely no willingness to try and build a common interface here.