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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Phil Auld <pauld@redhat.com>,
	Chris von Recklinghausen <crecklin@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: sched/isolation: tick_take_do_timer_from_boot() calls smp_call_function_single() with irqs disabled
Date: Fri, 24 May 2024 20:37:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240524183700.GA17065@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZlCwKk65-eL0FrKX@pavilion.home>

Frederic. Thanks for looking at this!

I've already had a few beers today, I know I'll regret about this email
tomorrow, but I can't resist ;)

On 05/24, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
>
> Actually... The boot CPU is nohz_full and nothing prevents it
> from stopping its tick once IRQs are enabled and before calling
> tick_nohz_idle_enter(). When that happens, tick_nohz_full_update_tick()
> doesn't go through can_stop_idle_tick() and therefore doesn't check if it
> is the timekeeper. And then it goes through tick_nohz_stop_tick() which
> can set tick_do_timer_cpu = TICK_DO_TIMER_NONE.

Heh. May be you mean, say, tick_nohz_full_update_tick() or
tick_nohz_idle_update_tick() which check tick_nohz_full_cpu(cpu).
Yes this doesn't help during the boot, and this was another source for
confusion to me.

But again, again. tick_sched_do_timer() says

	* If nohz_full is enabled, this should not happen because the
	* 'tick_do_timer_cpu' CPU never relinquishes.

so I guess it is not supposed to happen?

And. My main question was: how can smp_call_function_single() help???
Why do we actually need it?

Thanks ;)

Oleg.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-05-24 18:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-22 15:17 sched/isolation: tick_take_do_timer_from_boot() calls smp_call_function_single() with irqs disabled Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-23 13:23 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-24  9:31   ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-05-24 14:10     ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-24 15:22       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2024-05-24 15:20     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2024-05-24 17:16       ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-05-24 18:37       ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2024-05-24 22:06         ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-05-25 13:51           ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-25 14:13             ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-26 19:27           ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-26 20:52             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2024-05-27 15:57               ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-27 11:01             ` Nicholas Piggin
2024-05-27 15:57               ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-28  1:02                 ` Nicholas Piggin
2024-05-28 12:19                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-27 16:13               ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-05-26 20:57           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2024-05-27  9:10           ` Nicholas Piggin
2024-05-27 10:23             ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-05-27 11:16               ` Nicholas Piggin
2024-05-28 12:20 ` [PATCH] tick/nohz_full: don't abuse smp_call_function_single() in tick_setup_device() Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-28 12:22   ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-30 12:40   ` [PATCH] tick/nohz_full: turn tick_do_timer_boot_cpu into boot_cpu_is_nohz_full Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-03 15:35     ` [PATCH v2] " Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-03 21:44       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2024-06-04  5:08       ` Nicholas Piggin
2024-05-30 14:52   ` [PATCH] tick/nohz_full: don't abuse smp_call_function_single() in tick_setup_device() Frederic Weisbecker
2024-05-30 16:52     ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-30 17:01     ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-01 14:03     ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-02 21:29       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2024-06-03 15:41         ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-03 21:45           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2024-06-10 15:55   ` [PING ;)] " Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-10 18:15     ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-06-10 18:26   ` [tip: timers/urgent] tick/nohz_full: Don't " tip-bot2 for Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-10 19:42     ` Frederic Weisbecker

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