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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] exit: kill signal_struct->quick_threads
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2024 20:37:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240617183758.GB10753@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ikyamf4u.fsf@email.froward.int.ebiederm.org>

On 06/15, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>
> Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> writes:
>
> > Eric, do you agree with this patch or not?
>
> I really don't.

OK, I won't insist.

If nothing else, I failed to remove the usage of signal->live in cgroup.c
and this patch (supposed to be a cleanup) can slightly affect the cgroup
iterators.

But. You didn't mention cgroups, so lets forget cgroups to simplify this
discussion.

So. I would like to see at least ONE _technical_ objection to this patch.

Once again, I was worried about this cleanup from the very beginning, that is
why I asked you to review. Thanks for taking a look. But could you help me to
understand what exactly you don't like?

> I think skipping some work if SIGNAL_GROUP_EXIT is already
> set is not necessarily wrong.

OK, so you seem to agree with this part after all.

> I think we need the quick_threads count,

And so far I fail to understand this,

> and related cleanups.
> I was hoping to be able to post a patchset with this reply
> to explain things, but it looks like that is still a couple
> of days off.

OK. This looks as if I need to wait for your cleanups to understand
why do we need quick_threads even if we move atomic_dec_and_test(live)
to the very start of do_exit().

Okay, I'll have to wait.

And. To me the current placement of atomic_dec_and_test(signal->live)
looks "random" no matter what. Even if we forget about cgroups.

> Where I was going, and where I think we should go with quick_threads is
> an exit path that is much easier to reason about and maintain.  But the
> decrement needs to move into the same code that sets SIGNAL_GROUP_EXIT.
> Which makes it something very different from signal->live.

Still can't understand, but see above. Quite possibly I missed something.
I will wait for your patchset.

Oleg.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-06-17 18:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-09 14:23 [PATCH 0/1] exit: kill signal_struct->quick_threads Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-09 14:24 ` [PATCH 1/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-09 18:28 ` [PATCH 0/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-10 10:50 ` Q: css_task_iter_advance() && dying_tasks Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-10 11:08   ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-10 20:02     ` Tejun Heo
2024-06-10 20:00   ` Tejun Heo
2024-06-10 12:15 ` [PATCH 0/1] exit: kill signal_struct->quick_threads Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-10 15:29   ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-10 15:42     ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-10 16:18     ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-13 15:45     ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-15 14:53       ` Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-17 18:37         ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2024-06-19  3:48           ` Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-19  4:04             ` [PATCH 0/17] exit: complete synchronize_group_exit Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-19  4:05               ` [PATCH 01/17] signal: Make SIGKILL during coredumps an explicit special case Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-19 15:50                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-19 18:09                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-19 19:11                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-21  5:46                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-21 10:40                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-21 16:30                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-19  4:05               ` [PATCH 02/17] signal: Compute the process exit_code in get_signal Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-25 12:34                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-19  4:06               ` [PATCH 03/17] coredump: Consolidate the work to allow SIGKILL during coredumps Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-25 12:34                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-19  4:06               ` [PATCH 04/17] signal: In get_signal call do_exit when it is unnecessary to shoot down threads Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-25 12:35                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-19  4:07               ` [PATCH 05/17] signal: Bring down all threads when handling a non-coredump fatal signal Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-25 12:56                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-19  4:07               ` [PATCH 06/17] signal: Add JOBCTL_WILL_EXIT to mark exiting tasks Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-19  4:08               ` [PATCH 07/17] signal: Always set JOBCTL_WILL_EXIT for " Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-30 14:00                 ` kernel test robot
2024-06-19  4:08               ` [PATCH 08/17] signal: Don't target tasks that are exiting Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-19  4:09               ` [PATCH 09/17] signal: Test for process exit or de_thread using task_exit_pending Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-19  4:09               ` [PATCH 10/17] signal: Only set JOBCTL_WILL_EXIT if it is not already set Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-19  4:10               ` [PATCH 11/17] signal: Make individual tasks exiting a first class concept Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-19  4:10               ` [PATCH 12/17] signal: Remove zap_other_threads Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-19  4:11               ` [PATCH 13/17] signal: Stop skipping current in do_group_exit & get_signal Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-28  5:43                 ` kernel test robot
2024-06-19  4:11               ` [PATCH 14/17] signal: Factor out schedule_group_exit_locked Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-19  4:12               ` [PATCH 15/17] ptrace: Separate task->ptrace_code out from task->exit_code Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-19  4:12               ` [PATCH 16/17] signal: Record the exit_code when an exit is scheduled Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-19  4:13               ` [PATCH 17/17] signal: Set SIGNAL_GROUP_EXIT when all tasks have decided to exit Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-19 20:18             ` [PATCH 0/1] exit: kill signal_struct->quick_threads Oleg Nesterov

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