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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Andrii Nakryiko <andrii.nakryiko@gmail.com>
Cc: "Paul E . McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	mhiramat@kernel.org, oleg@redhat.com, mingo@redhat.com,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org, jolsa@kernel.org, clm@meta.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/12] uprobes: add batched register/unregister APIs and per-CPU RW semaphore
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2024 10:07:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240703080736.GL11386@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEf4BzZuEicv3DkYA8HYG10QnBURK4SFddhTbA06=eOKQr82PA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 02, 2024 at 09:47:41PM -0700, Andrii Nakryiko wrote:

> > As you noted, that percpu-rwsem write side is quite insane. And you're
> > creating this batch complexity to mitigate that.
> 
> 
> Note that batch API is needed regardless of percpu RW semaphore or
> not. As I mentioned, once uprobes_treelock is mitigated one way or the
> other, the next one is uprobe->register_rwsem. For scalability, we
> need to get rid of it and preferably not add any locking at all. So
> tentatively I'd like to have lockless RCU-protected iteration over
> uprobe->consumers list and call consumer->handler(). This means that
> on uprobes_unregister we'd need synchronize_rcu (for whatever RCU
> flavor we end up using), to ensure that we don't free uprobe_consumer
> memory from under handle_swbp() while it is actually triggering
> consumers.
> 
> So, without batched unregistration we'll be back to the same problem
> I'm solving here: doing synchronize_rcu() for each attached uprobe one
> by one is prohibitively slow. We went through this exercise with
> ftrace/kprobes already and fixed it with batched APIs. Doing that for
> uprobes seems unavoidable as well.

I'm not immediately seeing how you need that terrible refcount stuff for
the batching though. If all you need is group a few unregisters together
in order to share a sync_rcu() that seems way overkill.

You seem to have muddled the order of things, which makes the actual
reason for doing things utterly unclear.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-03  8:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20240701223935.3783951-1-andrii@kernel.org>
     [not found] ` <20240702102353.GG11386@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>
2024-07-02 11:54   ` [PATCH v2 00/12] uprobes: add batched register/unregister APIs and per-CPU RW semaphore Peter Zijlstra
2024-07-02 12:01     ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-07-02 17:54     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-07-02 19:18       ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-07-02 23:56         ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-07-03  4:54           ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-07-03  7:50           ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-07-03 14:08             ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-07-04  8:39               ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-07-04 15:13                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-07-03 21:57             ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-03 22:07               ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-07-03  4:47         ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-07-03  8:07           ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2024-07-03 20:55             ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-07-03 21:33 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-07-04  9:15   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-07-04 13:56     ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-04 15:44     ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-07-08 17:47       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-07-08 17:48     ` Andrii Nakryiko

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