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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Roman Kisel <romank@linux.microsoft.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, apais@microsoft.com,
	benhill@microsoft.com, ssengar@microsoft.com,
	sunilmut@microsoft.com, vdso@hexbites.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] ptrace: Get tracer PID without reliance on the proc FS
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2024 22:55:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240906205436.GA2417@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <da4baf5b-19e9-474c-90f6-fe17dd934333@linux.microsoft.com>

Well, I leave this to you and Linus (and other reviewers), but if it was not
clear I too do not really like this feature, that is why I added cc's.

Perhaps it makes sense to discuss the alternatives? Say, a process can have a
please_insert_the_breakpoint_here() function implemented in asm which just does
asm(ret).

Then something like

	#define breakpoint_if_debugging()	\
		asm volatile ("call please_insert_the_breakpoint_here" : ASM_CALL_CONSTRAINT);

if the process is ptraced, debugger can insert the breakoint into
please_insert_the_breakpoint_here(). Otherwise breakpoint_if_debugging()
is a cheap nop.

Not that I think this is a good idea, but std::breakpoint_if_debugging()
looks even more strange to me...

Oleg.

On 09/06, Roman Kisel wrote:
>
> All told, let me know if I may proceed with fixing the code as Oleg
> suggested, or this piece should go into the waste basket. I could make
> an argument that providing the way to get the tracer PID only via
> proc FS through parsing text is more like shell/Perl/Python interface
> to the kernel, and for compiled languages could have what's easier in
> that setting (there is an easy syscall for getting PID, and there could
> be code changing the logic on the PID being odd or even for the sake
> of argument).
> 
> >
> >                Linus
> 
> -- 
> Thank you,
> Roman
> 


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-09-06 20:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-05 21:27 [PATCH 0/1] Get tracer PID without reliance on the proc FS Roman Kisel
2024-09-05 21:27 ` [PATCH 1/1] ptrace: " Roman Kisel
2024-09-06 11:24   ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-09-06 11:48     ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-09-06 19:09     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-06 20:08       ` Roman Kisel
2024-09-06 20:26         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-06 21:15           ` Roman Kisel
2024-09-09 16:18             ` Eric W. Biederman
2024-09-09 17:05               ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-09-09 17:34                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2024-09-09 17:22               ` Roman Kisel
2024-09-06 20:55         ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2024-09-06 21:25           ` Roman Kisel
2024-09-08 14:08             ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-09-09 15:19               ` Roman Kisel
2024-09-09 16:42                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-09-09 17:05                   ` Roman Kisel
2024-09-07 19:33   ` kernel test robot
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2024-09-07  8:45 Jubilee Young
2024-09-09 19:37 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-09-10 15:40   ` Roman Kisel
2024-09-11 14:44     ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-09-11 17:41       ` Roman Kisel
2024-09-11 19:53         ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-09-11 19:57           ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-11 20:14             ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-09-11 20:25           ` Roman Kisel
2024-09-10 16:34 ` Eric W. Biederman

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