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* [RFC] staging: vt6656: Proposal to delete driver vt6656_stage
@ 2024-10-11 18:59 Philipp Hortmann
  2024-10-12  8:00 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
  2024-10-12  9:02 ` Malcolm Priestley
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Philipp Hortmann @ 2024-10-11 18:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: linux-staging, linux-kernel
  Cc: Malcolm Priestley, Teddy Engel, Greg Kroah-Hartman,
	Michael Straube, Sathish Kumar, Florian Ziegler, Pritthijit Nath,
	Arnd Bergmann, tdavies, m.omerfarukbulut,
	Dominik Karol Piątkowski

Dear Sirs,

Forest Bond contributed this driver in 2009.

The following points let me propose to delete the driver:
- This driver generates maintenance workload
- This driver has a maximum 54MBit/s as it supports only 802.11 b/g. 
Peak throughput is 3MBytes/s.
- ping times can be 17ms are often above 500ms and worst case 22 seconds.

I suggest deleting the driver as it no longer meets current expectations.

Former Maintainer Forest Bond <forest@alittletooquiet.net> is unreachable.

The staging subsystem needs to focus on drivers that support usable 
hardware that is available. Newbies can then get the hardware and play 
around which is fun.

Please consider that support will remain for years in the longterm kernels.

Thanks for any response about your thoughts.

No response will result in a patch for removal in 14 days.

Bye Philipp

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* Re: [RFC] staging: vt6656: Proposal to delete driver vt6656_stage
  2024-10-11 18:59 [RFC] staging: vt6656: Proposal to delete driver vt6656_stage Philipp Hortmann
@ 2024-10-12  8:00 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
  2024-10-12  9:02 ` Malcolm Priestley
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Greg Kroah-Hartman @ 2024-10-12  8:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Philipp Hortmann
  Cc: linux-staging, linux-kernel, Malcolm Priestley, Teddy Engel,
	Michael Straube, Sathish Kumar, Florian Ziegler, Pritthijit Nath,
	Arnd Bergmann, tdavies, m.omerfarukbulut,
	Dominik Karol Piątkowski

On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 08:59:44PM +0200, Philipp Hortmann wrote:
> Dear Sirs,
> 
> Forest Bond contributed this driver in 2009.
> 
> The following points let me propose to delete the driver:
> - This driver generates maintenance workload
> - This driver has a maximum 54MBit/s as it supports only 802.11 b/g. Peak
> throughput is 3MBytes/s.
> - ping times can be 17ms are often above 500ms and worst case 22 seconds.
> 
> I suggest deleting the driver as it no longer meets current expectations.
> 
> Former Maintainer Forest Bond <forest@alittletooquiet.net> is unreachable.
> 
> The staging subsystem needs to focus on drivers that support usable hardware
> that is available. Newbies can then get the hardware and play around which
> is fun.
> 
> Please consider that support will remain for years in the longterm kernels.
> 
> Thanks for any response about your thoughts.
> 
> No response will result in a patch for removal in 14 days.

If I respond quicker saying "yes, please remove it!" will you send a
patch?  :)

thanks,

greg k-h

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* Re: [RFC] staging: vt6656: Proposal to delete driver vt6656_stage
  2024-10-11 18:59 [RFC] staging: vt6656: Proposal to delete driver vt6656_stage Philipp Hortmann
  2024-10-12  8:00 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
@ 2024-10-12  9:02 ` Malcolm Priestley
  2024-10-12 10:04   ` Malcolm Priestley
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Malcolm Priestley @ 2024-10-12  9:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Philipp Hortmann, linux-staging, linux-kernel
  Cc: Teddy Engel, Greg Kroah-Hartman, Michael Straube, Sathish Kumar,
	Florian Ziegler, Pritthijit Nath, Arnd Bergmann, tdavies,
	m.omerfarukbulut, Dominik Karol Piątkowski

> Dear Sirs,
> 
> Forest Bond contributed this driver in 2009.
> 
> The following points let me propose to delete the driver:
> - This driver generates maintenance workload
> - This driver has a maximum 54MBit/s as it supports only 802.11 b/g. Peak throughput is 3MBytes/s.
> - ping times can be 17ms are often above 500ms and worst case 22 seconds.
> 
> I suggest deleting the driver as it no longer meets current expectations.
> 
> Former Maintainer Forest Bond <forest@alittletooquiet.net> is unreachable.
> 
> The staging subsystem needs to focus on drivers that support usable hardware that is available. Newbies can then get the hardware and play around which is fun.
> 
> Please consider that support will remain for years in the longterm kernels.
> 
> Thanks for any response about your thoughts.
> 
> No response will result in a patch for removal in 14 days. 

Hi Philipp

The vt6656_stage USB driver is still widely in use, I still use one on my raspberry pi and usually get me out of trouble when main wireless device fails.

I do not see the connection issues that you describe and generally the driver reforms well,

Any b/g devices devices in the wireless/staging tree when used with or sharing with newer ones will have connection problems due to the considerable interference.

I have not problems with deleting the PCI vt6655_stage driver.

Regards


Malcolm


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* Re: [RFC] staging: vt6656: Proposal to delete driver vt6656_stage
  2024-10-12  9:02 ` Malcolm Priestley
@ 2024-10-12 10:04   ` Malcolm Priestley
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Malcolm Priestley @ 2024-10-12 10:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Philipp Hortmann, linux-staging, linux-kernel
  Cc: Teddy Engel, Greg Kroah-Hartman, Michael Straube, Sathish Kumar,
	Florian Ziegler, Pritthijit Nath, Arnd Bergmann, tdavies,
	m.omerfarukbulut, Dominik Karol Piątkowski

> Dear Sirs,
> 
> Forest Bond contributed this driver in 2009.
> 
> The following points let me propose to delete the driver:
> - This driver generates maintenance workload
> - This driver has a maximum 54MBit/s as it supports only 802.11 b/g. Peak throughput is 3MBytes/s.
> - ping times can be 17ms are often above 500ms and worst case 22 seconds. 


Hmm I see the rtl8192e driver has also gone need to buy another device.

Looks like staging is closing down sale.

Yeah okay from me to delete vt6656_stage it will be stable for a few years.

Regards
 

Malcolm




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