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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Uros Bizjak <ubizjak@gmail.com>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Suravee Suthikulpanit <suravee.suthikulpanit@amd.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, iommu@lists.linux.dev,
	Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	vasant.hegde@amd.com, Linux-Arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	Kevin Tian <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	jon.grimm@amd.com, santosh.shukla@amd.com, pandoh@google.com,
	kumaranand@google.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 05/10] iommu/amd: Introduce helper function to update 256-bit DTE
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2024 12:34:51 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20241113163451.GK35230@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFULd4aFvGj=kz5Si9WpAr33KFtJDO5+sdNO=NBB+boS=E-E_Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 13, 2024 at 03:36:14PM +0100, Uros Bizjak wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2024 at 3:28 PM Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 13, 2024 at 03:14:09PM +0100, Uros Bizjak wrote:
> > > > > Even without atomicity guarantee, __READ_ONCE() still prevents the
> > > > > compiler from performing unwanted optimizations (please see the first
> > > > > comment in include/asm-generic/rwonce.h) and unwanted reordering of
> > > > > reads and writes when this function is inlined. This macro does cast
> > > > > the read to volatile, but IMO it is much more readable to use
> > > > > __READ_ONCE() than volatile qualifier.
> > > >
> > > > Yes it does, but please explain to me what "unwanted reordering" is
> > > > allowed here?
> > >
> > > It is a static function that will be inlined by the compiler
> > > somewhere, so "unwanted reordering" depends on where it will be
> > > inlined. *IF* it will be called from safe code, then this limitation
> > > for the compiler can be lifted.
> >
> > As long as the values are read within the spinlock the order does not
> > matter. READ_ONCE() is not required to contain reads within spinlocks.
> 
> Indeed. But then why complicate things with cmpxchg, when we have
> exclusive access to the shared memory? No other thread can access the
> data, protected by spinlock; it won't change between invocations of
> cmpxchg in the loop, and atomic access via cmpxchg is not needed.

This is writing to memory shared by HW and HW is doing a 256 bit
atomic load.

It is important that the CPU do a 128 bit atomic write.

cmpxchg is not required, but a 128 bit store is. cmpxchg128 is the
only primitive Linux offers.

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-13 16:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-13 12:03 [PATCH v10 00/10] iommu/amd: Use 128-bit cmpxchg operation to update DTE Suravee Suthikulpanit
2024-11-13 12:03 ` [PATCH v10 01/10] iommu/amd: Misc ACPI IVRS debug info clean up Suravee Suthikulpanit
2024-11-13 12:03 ` [PATCH v10 02/10] iommu/amd: Disable AMD IOMMU if CMPXCHG16B feature is not supported Suravee Suthikulpanit
2024-11-13 12:35   ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-11-13 12:03 ` [PATCH v10 03/10] compiler_types.h: Introduce 128-bit unqualified scalar type support Suravee Suthikulpanit
2024-11-13 12:03 ` [PATCH v10 04/10] iommu/amd: Introduce struct ivhd_dte_flags to store persistent DTE flags Suravee Suthikulpanit
2024-11-13 12:03 ` [PATCH v10 05/10] iommu/amd: Introduce helper function to update 256-bit DTE Suravee Suthikulpanit
2024-11-13 12:50   ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-11-13 13:20     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-11-13 14:06       ` Uros Bizjak
2024-11-13 14:09         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-11-13 14:14           ` Uros Bizjak
2024-11-13 14:28             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-11-13 14:36               ` Uros Bizjak
2024-11-13 16:34                 ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2024-11-13 19:50                   ` Uros Bizjak
2024-11-13 20:08                     ` Uros Bizjak
2024-11-14 16:29                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-11-14 20:25                       ` Uros Bizjak
2024-11-13 12:03 ` [PATCH v10 06/10] iommu/amd: Modify set_dte_entry() to use 256-bit DTE helpers Suravee Suthikulpanit
2024-11-13 12:03 ` [PATCH v10 07/10] iommu/amd: Introduce helper function get_dte256() Suravee Suthikulpanit
2024-11-13 12:03 ` [PATCH v10 08/10] iommu/amd: Modify clear_dte_entry() to avoid in-place update Suravee Suthikulpanit
2024-11-13 12:03 ` [PATCH v10 09/10] iommu/amd: Lock DTE before updating the entry with WRITE_ONCE() Suravee Suthikulpanit
2024-11-13 12:03 ` [PATCH v10 10/10] iommu/amd: Remove amd_iommu_apply_erratum_63() Suravee Suthikulpanit

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