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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
Cc: Prakash Sangappa <prakash.sangappa@oracle.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	tglx@linutronix.de, daniel.m.jordan@oracle.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] Scheduler time slice extension
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2024 11:14:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20241114101455.GL6497@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f0f681a0-22b4-45f4-85a1-18f140286cbe@efficios.com>

On Wed, Nov 13, 2024 at 02:36:58PM -0500, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> On 2024-11-13 13:50, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 13, 2024 at 12:01:22AM +0000, Prakash Sangappa wrote:
> > 
> > > This patch set implements the above mentioned 50us extension time as posted
> > > by Peter. But instead of using restartable sequences as API to set the flag
> > > to request the extension, this patch proposes a new API with use of a per
> > > thread shared structure implementation described below. This shared structure
> > > is accessible in both users pace and kernel. The user thread will set the
> > > flag in this shared structure to request execution time extension.
> > 
> > But why -- we already have rseq, glibc uses it by default. Why add yet
> > another thing?
> 
> Indeed, what I'm not seeing in this RFC patch series cover letter is an
> explanation that justifies adding yet another per-thread memory area
> shared between kernel and userspace when we have extensible rseq
> already.
> 
> Peter, was there anything fundamentally wrong with your approach based
> on rseq ? https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20231030132949.GA38123@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net

Not that I can remember, but it's a long time ago :-)

> The main thing I wonder is whether loading the rseq delay resched flag
> on return to userspace is too late in your patch.

Too late how? It only loads it at the point we would've called
schedule() -- no point in looking at it otherwise, right?

> Also, I'm not sure it is
> realistic to require that no system calls should be done within time extension
> slice. If we have this scenario:

Well, the whole premise is that syscalls are too expensive. If they are
not, then you shouldn't be using this in the first place.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-11-14 10:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-13  0:01 [RFC PATCH 0/4] Scheduler time slice extension Prakash Sangappa
2024-11-13  0:01 ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] Introduce per thread user-kernel shared structure Prakash Sangappa
2024-11-13  0:01 ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] Scheduler time extention Prakash Sangappa
2024-11-13  3:57   ` K Prateek Nayak
2024-11-13 17:40     ` Prakash Sangappa
2024-11-13  0:01 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] Indicate if schedular preemption delay request is granted Prakash Sangappa
2024-11-13  0:01 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] Add scheduler preemption delay granted stats Prakash Sangappa
2024-11-13  5:43 ` [RFC PATCH 0/4] Scheduler time slice extension K Prateek Nayak
2024-11-13 19:56   ` Prakash Sangappa
2024-11-13 18:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-11-13 19:36   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-11-13 20:10     ` Prakash Sangappa
2024-11-13 20:57       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-11-13 23:24         ` Prakash Sangappa
2024-11-14 10:28       ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-11-14 19:42         ` Prakash Sangappa
2024-11-15 14:13           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-11-15 17:20             ` Prakash Sangappa
2024-12-09 20:36           ` Prakash Sangappa
2024-12-09 21:17             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-12-16 18:59               ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-02-04  3:04                 ` Prakash Sangappa
2024-11-14 10:14     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2024-11-15 14:41       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-11-15 17:49         ` Prakash Sangappa
2024-11-13 19:50   ` Prakash Sangappa

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