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From: Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>
To: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>
Cc: syzbot+4eb7a741b3216020043a@syzkaller.appspotmail.com,
	jmorris@namei.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, serge@hallyn.com,
	syzkaller-bugs@googlegroups.com, Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>,
	Leo Stone <leocstone@gmail.com>,
	mortonm@chromium.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] lsm: check size of writes
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2024 21:32:58 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <202412222126.E70910E7A8@keescook> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9fcd3f3d-33c1-4feb-8c98-472d44bc0a54@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>

On Sat, Dec 21, 2024 at 10:40:45PM +0900, Tetsuo Handa wrote:
> Hello, Kees.
> 
> On 2024/12/21 19:00, Tetsuo Handa wrote:
> > FYI: I sent
> > 
> > https://lkml.kernel.org/r/014cd694-cc27-4a07-a34a-2ae95d744515@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp
> > 
> > which makes this patch redundant if my patch is accepted.
> > 
> 
> I got a question regarding commit d73778e4b867 ("mm/util: Use dedicated
> slab buckets for memdup_user()").
> 
> While I consider that using the same slab buckets for memdup_user() and
> memdup_user_nul() is OK, I came to feel that we could utilize
> kmem_buckets_create() more aggressively for debug purpose and/or
> isolation purpose.

Sure!

> 
> I got three bug reports on TOMOYO
> https://lkml.kernel.org/r/67646895.050a0220.1dcc64.0023.GAE@google.com
> and I guess that at least the fix for the first bug is
> https://lkml.kernel.org/r/20241218185000.17920-2-leocstone@gmail.com
> because the syz reproducer includes access to
> /sys/kernel/config/nvmet/discovery_nqn interface.
> 
> If the slab buckets for nvmet and TOMOYO were separated, we might have
> received these bug reports as nvmet bugs rather than TOMOYO bugs.
> 
> We switched to use module-local workqueue if that module needs to call
> flush_workqueue() because calling flush_workqueue() against the kernel global
> workqueues might introduce unpredictable locking dependency. Therefore, I came
> to feel that it might be helpful to add a kernel config option for switching
> whether to use dedicated slab buckets for individual module/subsystems.
> 
> For example, I don't know whether it is worth using a dedicated slab bucket
> for each LSM module, but I feel that having a dedicated slab bucket shared
> between all LSM modules might be worth doing, in order to reduce possibility
> of by error overrunning into chunks used by LSM modules caused by bugs in
> unrelated code.

If the LSM core did a kmem_buckets_create() for each LSM, and the LSMs
were adjusted to explicitly allocate from their own bucket set, that
would be one way. Or just for the LSM as a whole (1 set of buckets
instead of a set for each LSM). I'd be happy to review patches for
either idea.

> Maybe we want a flag for not to bloat /proc/slabinfo output if we allow
> using dedicated slab buckets for individual module/subsystems...

No, I think accuracy for slabinfo is more important.

> What do you think?

I think per-site buckets is going to be the most effective long-term:
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20240809072532.work.266-kees@kernel.org/

But that doesn't exclude new kmem_buckets_create() users.

-Kees

-- 
Kees Cook

  reply	other threads:[~2024-12-23  5:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-15 21:59 [syzbot] [lsm?] WARNING in handle_policy_update syzbot
2024-12-16  3:02 ` [PATCH] lsm: check size of writes Leo Stone
2024-12-16  9:58   ` Tetsuo Handa
2024-12-16 22:59     ` Paul Moore
2024-12-17 18:26 ` [PATCH v2] " Leo Stone
2024-12-18 21:51   ` Paul Moore
2024-12-21 10:00     ` Tetsuo Handa
2024-12-21 13:40       ` Tetsuo Handa
2024-12-23  5:32         ` Kees Cook [this message]
2025-01-05  4:04           ` Paul Moore
2025-01-07  0:09             ` Kees Cook
2025-01-08 21:17               ` Paul Moore
2025-01-05  3:51       ` Paul Moore
2025-01-05  3:49     ` Paul Moore
2025-01-24 19:24       ` Micah Morton
2025-01-24 19:42         ` Paul Moore
2025-01-27 16:05           ` Micah Morton

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