public inbox for linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>
Cc: bpf@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Barret Rhoden <brho@google.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Waiman Long <llong@redhat.com>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@kernel.org>,
	Eduard Zingerman <eddyz87@gmail.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Josh Don <joshdon@google.com>,
	Dohyun Kim <dohyunkim@google.com>,
	kernel-team@meta.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next v1 08/22] rqspinlock: Protect pending bit owners from stalls
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2025 20:17:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250107191756.GA28303@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAP01T74SHdhtshm3iO_=+W4AHNQSZekJVKwaQn-Sr5up2apKhA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 07, 2025 at 10:44:16PM +0530, Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Jan 2025 at 20:22, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 07, 2025 at 05:59:50AM -0800, Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi wrote:
> > > +     if (val & _Q_LOCKED_MASK) {
> > > +             RES_RESET_TIMEOUT(ts);
> > > +             smp_cond_load_acquire(&lock->locked, !VAL || RES_CHECK_TIMEOUT(ts, ret));
> > > +     }
> >
> > Please check how smp_cond_load_acquire() works on ARM64 and then add
> > some words on how RES_CHECK_TIMEOUT() is still okay.
> 
> Thanks Peter,
> 
> The __cmpwait_relaxed bit does indeed look problematic, my
> understanding is that the ldxr + wfe sequence can get stuck because we
> may not have any updates on the &lock->locked address, and we’ll not
> call into RES_CHECK_TIMEOUT since that cond_expr check precedes the
> __cmpwait macro.

IIRC the WFE will wake at least on every interrupt but might have an
inherent timeout itself, so it will make some progress, but not at a
speed comparable to a pure spin.

> Do you have suggestions on resolving this? We want to invoke this
> macro as part of the waiting loop. We can have a
> rqspinlock_smp_cond_load_acquire that maps to no-WFE smp_load_acquire
> loop on arm64 and uses the asm-generic version elsewhere.

That will make arm64 sad -- that wfe thing is how they get away with not
having paravirt spinlocks iirc. Also power consumption.

I've not read well enough to remember what order of timeout you're
looking for, but you could have the tick sample the lock like a watchdog
like, and write a magic 'lock' value when it is deemed stuck.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-07 19:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-07 13:59 [PATCH bpf-next v1 00/22] Resilient Queued Spin Lock Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-01-07 13:59 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 01/22] locking: Move MCS struct definition to public header Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-01-07 13:59 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 02/22] locking: Move common qspinlock helpers to a private header Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-01-07 13:59 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 03/22] locking: Allow obtaining result of arch_mcs_spin_lock_contended Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-01-07 13:59 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 04/22] locking: Copy out qspinlock.c to rqspinlock.c Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-01-07 13:59 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 05/22] rqspinlock: Add rqspinlock.h header Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-01-07 13:59 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 06/22] rqspinlock: Drop PV and virtualization support Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-01-07 13:59 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 07/22] rqspinlock: Add support for timeouts Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-01-07 14:50   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-01-07 17:14     ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-01-07 13:59 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 08/22] rqspinlock: Protect pending bit owners from stalls Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-01-07 14:51   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-01-07 17:14     ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-01-07 19:17       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2025-01-07 19:22         ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-01-07 19:54           ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-01-08  2:19   ` Waiman Long
2025-01-08 20:13     ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-01-07 13:59 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 09/22] rqspinlock: Protect waiters in queue " Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-01-08  3:38   ` Waiman Long
2025-01-08 20:42     ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-01-07 13:59 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 10/22] rqspinlock: Protect waiters in trylock fallback " Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-01-07 13:59 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 11/22] rqspinlock: Add deadlock detection and recovery Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-01-08 16:06   ` Waiman Long
2025-01-08 20:19     ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-01-09  0:32       ` Waiman Long
2025-01-07 13:59 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 12/22] rqspinlock: Add basic support for CONFIG_PARAVIRT Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-01-08 16:27   ` Waiman Long
2025-01-08 20:32     ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-01-09  0:48       ` Waiman Long
2025-01-09  2:42         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-01-09  2:58           ` Waiman Long
2025-01-09  3:37             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-01-09  3:46               ` Waiman Long
2025-01-09  3:53                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-01-09  3:58                   ` Waiman Long
2025-01-07 13:59 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 13/22] rqspinlock: Add helper to print a splat on timeout or deadlock Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-01-07 13:59 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 14/22] rqspinlock: Add macros for rqspinlock usage Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-01-08 16:55   ` Waiman Long
2025-01-08 20:41     ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-01-09  1:11       ` Waiman Long
2025-01-09  3:30         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-01-09  4:09           ` Waiman Long
2025-01-07 13:59 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 15/22] rqspinlock: Add locktorture support Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-01-07 13:59 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 16/22] rqspinlock: Add entry to Makefile, MAINTAINERS Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-01-07 13:59 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 17/22] bpf: Convert hashtab.c to rqspinlock Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-01-07 14:00 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 18/22] bpf: Convert percpu_freelist.c " Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-01-07 14:00 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 19/22] bpf: Convert lpm_trie.c " Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-01-07 14:00 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 20/22] bpf: Introduce rqspinlock kfuncs Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-01-08 10:23   ` kernel test robot
2025-01-08 10:23   ` kernel test robot
2025-01-08 10:44   ` kernel test robot
2025-01-07 14:00 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 21/22] bpf: Implement verifier support for rqspinlock Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-01-07 14:00 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 22/22] selftests/bpf: Add tests " Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-01-07 23:54 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 00/22] Resilient Queued Spin Lock Linus Torvalds
2025-01-08  9:18   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-01-08 20:12     ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-01-08 20:30       ` Linus Torvalds
2025-01-08 21:06         ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-01-08 21:30         ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-01-09 13:59       ` Waiman Long
2025-01-09 21:13         ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-01-09 21:18           ` Waiman Long

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=20250107191756.GA28303@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net \
    --to=peterz@infradead.org \
    --cc=andrii@kernel.org \
    --cc=ast@kernel.org \
    --cc=bpf@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=brho@google.com \
    --cc=daniel@iogearbox.net \
    --cc=dohyunkim@google.com \
    --cc=eddyz87@gmail.com \
    --cc=joshdon@google.com \
    --cc=kernel-team@meta.com \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=llong@redhat.com \
    --cc=martin.lau@kernel.org \
    --cc=memxor@gmail.com \
    --cc=paulmck@kernel.org \
    --cc=tj@kernel.org \
    --cc=torvalds@linux-foundation.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox