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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: John Stultz <jstultz@google.com>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Anna-Maria Behnsen <anna-maria@linutronix.de>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Stephen Boyd <sboyd@kernel.org>,
	Yury Norov <yury.norov@gmail.com>,
	Bitao Hu <yaoma@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	kernel-team@android.com
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/3] time/tick: Introduce a dyn_hz boot option
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2025 20:30:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250128193017.GE7145@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANDhNCpf9ZXDF8LmXrUgCHqcC+8e-F8_56uEjmaELvOTQb_r7Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 28, 2025 at 09:29:30AM -0800, John Stultz wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2025 at 1:07 AM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 10:32:54PM -0800, John Stultz wrote:
> > > +#ifdef CONFIG_DYN_HZ
> > > +extern long long dyn_tick_nsec;
> > > +#define DYN_TICK_NSEC (dyn_tick_nsec)
> > > +#else
> > > +#define DYN_TICK_NSEC TICK_NSEC
> > > +#endif
> >
> > My git-grep TICK_NSEC spies a whole bunch of TICK_NSEC users that seem
> > sad now.
> >
> > That is, why don't they all need updating?
> 
> Thanks for taking a look, Peter!
> 
> So TICK_NSEC is still the length of the HZ tick. The idea with this
> series is we're leaving HZ as a high frequency, but then just
> programming the interrupt to come in at a lower frequency.

That's word salad. Either the timer is slower, as alluded to below, or
it is not. It can't be both.

> So it's only the logic involved in setting the next interrupt, where
> we need to use DYN_TICK_NSEC.

In other words, the actual interrupts will happen dyn_tick_nsec apart,
not TICK_NSEC.

This means that pretty much every TICK_NSEC user in kernel/events/ is
now wrong. They're assuming the time between interrupts is TICK_NSEC --
we even inhibit NOHZ for perf to ensure this.

Really, you need to audit each and every TICK_NSEC users at the very
least.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-28 19:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-28  6:32 [RFC][PATCH 0/3] DynamicHZ: Configuring the timer tick rate at boot time John Stultz
2025-01-28  6:32 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/3] time/tick: Pipe tick count down through cputime accounting John Stultz
2025-01-28 14:44   ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-01-29  4:10     ` John Stultz
2025-01-28  6:32 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/3] time/tick: Introduce a dyn_hz boot option John Stultz
2025-01-28  9:07   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-01-28 17:29     ` John Stultz
2025-01-28 19:30       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2025-01-28  6:32 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/3] Kconfig: Add CONFIG_DYN_HZ_DEFAULT to specify the default dynhz= boot option value John Stultz
2025-01-28 16:46 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] DynamicHZ: Configuring the timer tick rate at boot time Thomas Gleixner
2025-01-29  6:10   ` John Stultz
2025-01-29  8:09     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-02-10 16:54       ` David Laight
2025-02-03 11:14   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-10  1:14     ` Qais Yousef
2025-02-10  1:09   ` Qais Yousef

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