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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: x86@kernel.org
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, alyssa.milburn@intel.com,
	scott.d.constable@intel.com, joao@overdrivepizza.com,
	andrew.cooper3@citrix.com, jpoimboe@kernel.org,
	jose.marchesi@oracle.com, hjl.tools@gmail.com,
	ndesaulniers@google.com, samitolvanen@google.com,
	nathan@kernel.org, ojeda@kernel.org, kees@kernel.org,
	alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com, mhiramat@kernel.org, jmill@asu.edu
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 09/10] x86/ibt: Implement FineIBT-BHI mitigation
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 10:12:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250225091213.GI11590@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250224124200.820402212@infradead.org>

On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 01:37:12PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> While WAIT_FOR_ENDBR is specified to be a full speculation stop; it
> has been shown that some implementations are 'leaky' to such an extend
> that speculation can escape even the FineIBT preamble.
> 
> To deal with this, add additional hardening to the FineIBT preamble.
> 
> Notably, using a new LLVM feature:
> 
>   https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/commit/e223485c9b38a5579991b8cebb6a200153eee245
> 
> which encodes the number of arguments in the kCFI preamble's register.
> 
> Using this register<->arity mapping, have the FineIBT preamble CALL
> into a stub clobbering the relevant argument registers in the
> speculative case.
> 
> (This is where Scott goes and gives more details...)

Scott, could you give a blurb here? Would the below cover things?

The basic setup, for 1 argument, is something like:

__bhi_args_1:
  jne .Lud
  cmovne %r10, %rdi
  ret
  int3

__cfi_foo:
  endbr
  subl $hash, %r10d
  call __bhi_args_1
foo:
  osp nop3
  ...


such that when speculation of an indirect call is maliciously steered
here from a non-matching site, the hash check (__cfi_foo's SUB) will not
match, resulting in !ZF and non-zero R10. Subsequently the __bhi_args
stub will either hit #UD exception, which kills speculation, or when
steered wrong, hit the cmovne, which will then clobber the argument
register RDI with whatever non-zero garbage sits in R10. Making it much
harder to control whatever foo normally does with its input argument.

Additionally, CFI hashes are randomized at boot, making it much harder
still to predict/control the non-zero value.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-25  9:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-24 12:37 [PATCH v4 00/10] x86/ibt: FineIBT-BHI Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-24 12:37 ` [PATCH v4 01/10] x86/cfi: Add warn option Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-24 18:57   ` Kees Cook
2025-02-26 10:54   ` [tip: x86/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-26 12:04   ` [tip: x86/core] x86/cfi: Add 'cfi=warn' boot option tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-24 12:37 ` [PATCH v4 02/10] x86/ibt: Add exact_endbr() helper Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-26 10:54   ` [tip: x86/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-26 12:04   ` tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-24 12:37 ` [PATCH v4 03/10] x86/traps: Decode 0xEA #UD Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-24 18:58   ` Kees Cook
2025-02-26 10:54   ` [tip: x86/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-26 12:04   ` [tip: x86/core] x86/traps: Decode 0xEA instructions as #UD tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-24 12:37 ` [PATCH v4 04/10] x86/traps: Allow custom fixups in handle_bug() Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-24 18:59   ` Kees Cook
2025-02-25  8:54     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-26 10:54   ` [tip: x86/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-26 12:04   ` tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-24 12:37 ` [PATCH v4 05/10] x86/ibt: Optimize FineIBT sequence Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-26 10:54   ` [tip: x86/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-26 12:04   ` [tip: x86/core] x86/ibt: Optimize the FineIBT instruction sequence tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-24 12:37 ` [PATCH v4 06/10] x86/traps: Decode LOCK Jcc.d8 #UD Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-24 21:46   ` David Laight
2025-02-25 18:33     ` Kees Cook
2025-02-26 10:54   ` [tip: x86/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-26 12:04   ` [tip: x86/core] x86/traps: Decode LOCK Jcc.d8 as #UD tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-24 12:37 ` [PATCH v4 07/10] x86/ibt: Add paranoid FineIBT mode Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-24 19:00   ` Kees Cook
2025-02-26 10:54   ` [tip: x86/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-26 12:04   ` tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-24 12:37 ` [PATCH v4 08/10] x86: BHI stubs Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-24 19:01   ` Kees Cook
2025-02-25  8:52     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-25 18:31       ` Kees Cook
2025-02-26 10:54   ` [tip: x86/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-26 12:04   ` [tip: x86/core] x86/bhi: Add " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-26 12:54   ` tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-24 12:37 ` [PATCH v4 09/10] x86/ibt: Implement FineIBT-BHI mitigation Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-25  9:12   ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2025-02-26  0:04     ` Constable, Scott D
2025-02-26 10:54   ` [tip: x86/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-26 12:04   ` tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-26 12:54   ` tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-26 19:53     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-10  8:55       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-10 16:00       ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-03-10 16:02         ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-11 19:09           ` Ramon de C Valle
2025-03-11 19:41             ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-03-11 20:23               ` Ramon de C Valle
2025-03-12  9:16                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-12 11:36                   ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-03-19  0:04                     ` Nathan Chancellor
2025-02-24 12:37 ` [PATCH v4 10/10] x86/ibt: Optimize fineibt-bhi arity 1 case Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-26 10:54   ` [tip: x86/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-26 12:04   ` [tip: x86/core] x86/ibt: Optimize the " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-26 12:54   ` tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra

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