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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org>
Cc: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Joel Fernandes <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>,
	Alexandre Courbot <acourbot@nvidia.com>,
	Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>, Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net>,
	Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	Ben Skeggs <bskeggs@nvidia.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
	nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	paulmck@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] gpu: nova-core: add basic timer subdevice implementation
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2025 14:55:34 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250228185534.GH39591@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z8Dp9dM1MxhzuvmR@pollux>

On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 11:40:53PM +0100, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 06:00:13PM -0400, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 01:25:10PM -0800, Boqun Feng wrote:
> > > 
> > > Most of the cases, it should be naturally achieved, because you already
> > > bind the objects into your module or driver, otherwise they would be
> > > already cancelled and freed. 
> > 
> > I'm getting the feeling you can probably naturally achieve the
> > required destructors, but I think Danillo is concerned that since it
> > isn't *mandatory* it isn't safe/sound.
> 
> Of course you can "naturally" achieve the required destructors, I even explained
> that in [1]. :-)
> 
> And yes, for *device resources* it is unsound if we do not ensure that the
> device resource is actually dropped at device unbind.

Why not do a runtime validation then?

It would be easy to have an atomic counting how many devres objects
are still alive.

Have remove() WARN_ON to the atomic and a dumb sleep loop until it is 0.

Properly written drives never hit it. Buggy drivers will throw a
warning and otherwise function safely.

I'm thinking the standard design pattern is a problem that is too
complex for static analysis to solve.

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-28 18:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-17 14:04 [RFC PATCH 0/3] gpu: nova-core: add basic timer subdevice implementation Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-17 14:04 ` [PATCH RFC 1/3] rust: add useful ops for u64 Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-17 20:47   ` Sergio González Collado
2025-02-17 21:10   ` Daniel Almeida
2025-02-18 13:16     ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-18 20:51       ` Timur Tabi
2025-02-19  1:21         ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-19  3:24           ` John Hubbard
2025-02-19 12:51             ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-19 20:22               ` John Hubbard
2025-02-19 20:23                 ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-19 23:13                   ` Daniel Almeida
2025-02-20  0:14                     ` John Hubbard
2025-02-21 11:35                       ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-21 12:31                         ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-19 20:11           ` Sergio González Collado
2025-02-18 10:07   ` Dirk Behme
2025-02-18 13:07     ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-20  6:23       ` Dirk Behme
2025-02-17 14:04 ` [PATCH RFC 2/3] rust: make ETIMEDOUT error available Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-17 21:15   ` Daniel Almeida
2025-02-17 14:04 ` [PATCH RFC 3/3] gpu: nova-core: add basic timer device Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-17 15:48 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] gpu: nova-core: add basic timer subdevice implementation Simona Vetter
2025-02-18  8:07   ` Greg KH
2025-02-18 13:23     ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-17 21:33 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-18  1:46   ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-18 10:26     ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-19 12:58       ` Simona Vetter
2025-02-24  1:40     ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-24 12:07       ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-24 12:11         ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-24 18:45           ` Joel Fernandes
2025-02-24 23:44             ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-25 15:52               ` Joel Fernandes
2025-02-25 16:09                 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-25 21:02                   ` Joel Fernandes
2025-02-25 22:02                     ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-25 22:42                       ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-25 22:57                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-25 23:26                       ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-25 23:45                       ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-26  0:49                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-26  1:16                           ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-26 17:21                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-26 21:31                               ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-26 23:47                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-27  0:41                                   ` Boqun Feng
2025-02-27 14:46                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-27 15:18                                       ` Boqun Feng
2025-02-27 16:17                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-27 16:55                                           ` Boqun Feng
2025-02-27 17:32                                             ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-27 19:23                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-27 21:25                                                 ` Boqun Feng
2025-02-27 22:00                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-27 22:40                                                     ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-28 18:55                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2025-03-03 19:36                                                         ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-03-03 21:50                                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-04  9:57                                                             ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-27  1:02                                   ` Greg KH
2025-02-27  1:34                                     ` John Hubbard
2025-02-27 21:42                                       ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-27 23:06                                         ` John Hubbard
2025-02-28  4:10                                           ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-28 18:50                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-28 10:52                                       ` Simona Vetter
2025-02-28 18:40                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-04 16:10                                           ` Simona Vetter
2025-03-04 16:42                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-05  7:30                                               ` Simona Vetter
2025-03-05 15:10                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-06 10:42                                                   ` Simona Vetter
2025-03-06 15:32                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-07 10:28                                                       ` Simona Vetter
2025-03-07 12:32                                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-07 13:09                                                           ` Simona Vetter
2025-03-07 14:55                                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-13 14:32                                                               ` Simona Vetter
2025-03-19 17:21                                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-21 10:35                                                                   ` Simona Vetter
2025-03-21 12:04                                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-21 12:12                                                                       ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-03-21 17:49                                                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-21 18:54                                                                           ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-03-07 14:00                                                           ` Greg KH
2025-03-07 14:46                                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-07 15:19                                                               ` Greg KH
2025-03-07 15:25                                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-27 14:23                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-27 11:32                                   ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-27 15:07                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-27 16:51                                       ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-25 14:11         ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-25 15:06           ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-25 15:23             ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-25 15:53               ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-27 21:37           ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-28  1:49             ` Timur Tabi
2025-02-28  2:24               ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-18 13:35   ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-18  1:42 ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-18 13:47   ` Alexandre Courbot

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