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From: Aaron Lu <ziqianlu@bytedance.com>
To: K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>
Cc: Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Josh Don <joshdon@google.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Chengming Zhou <chengming.zhou@linux.dev>,
	Chuyi Zhou <zhouchuyi@bytedance.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 6/7] sched/fair: fix tasks_rcu with task based throttle
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2025 16:48:26 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250401084826.GA13530@bytedance> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e9aae247-5347-4748-ac5e-9f54f733e230@amd.com>

On Tue, Apr 01, 2025 at 08:47:02AM +0530, K Prateek Nayak wrote:
> Hello Aaron,
> 
> On 3/31/2025 11:49 AM, Aaron Lu wrote:
> > > > Taskes throttled on exit to user path are scheduled by cond_resched() in
> > > > task_work_run() but that is a preempt schedule and doesn't mark a task
> > > > rcu quiescent state.
> 
> So browsing through kernel/rcu/task.h, I found the
> cond_resched_tasks_rcu_qs() that basically clears task holdout before
> calling schedule(). The question is, is it safe to be used in the
> task_work_run() context? I have no idea but you can do a resched_curr()
> followed by a cond_resched_tasks_rcu_qs() in throttle_cfs_rq_work() and
> that should give you the same effect as doing a schedule().
> 
> Thoughts?
>

Looks good to me.

> > > > 
> > > > Fix this by directly calling schedule() in throttle_cfs_rq_work().
> > > Perhaps that can be gotten around by just using set_ti_thread_flag()
> > > resched_curr() will also call set_preempt_need_resched() which allows
> > > cond_resched() to resched the task.
> > > 
> > > Since exit_to_user_mode_loop() will run once again seeing that
> > > TIF_NEED_RESCHED is set, schedule() should follow soon. Thoughts?
> > > 
> > I tried this and noticed an unexpected consequence: get_signal() will
> > also run task works and if the signal is kill, then it can happen:
> > exit_to_user_mode_loop() -> get_signal() -> throttle_task_work() ->
> > do_exit() -> exit_signals() -> percpu_rwsem_wait() -> schedule() ->
> > try_to_block_task() -> dequeue_task_fair().
> > 
> > I would like to avoid this path, at least for now. I want to make sure
> > for throttled tasks, only events like task group change, affinity change
> > etc. can cause it dequeue from core, that's why I added
> > SCHED_WARN_ON(flags & DEQUEUE_SLEEP) in dequeue_task_fair(). I think
> > this can help me capture any unexpected events like this.
> > 
> > Besides, I think explicitely calling schedule() has the advantage of not
> > relying on other code, i.e. it doesn't matter if someone removed
> > cond_resched() in task_work_run() some time later or someone changed the
> > logic in exit_to_user_mode_loop().
> > 
> > So I hope you don't mind I keep schedule() in throttle_cfs_rq_work(),
> > but if you see anything wrong of doing this, feel free to let me know,
> > thanks.
> 
> I don't have any strong feelings. Just that the open-coded schedule()
> struck out like a sore thumb and since you mention future changes, the
> "local_irq_enable_exit_to_user(ti_work)" could perhaps one day be
> extended to not disable IRQs in exit_to_user_mode_loop() in which case
> a direct call to schedule() can cause scheduling while atomic warnings.
> 
> IMO using cond_resched_tasks_rcu_qs() is cleaner and it is obvious that
> the throttle work wants to call schedule() asap while also clearing the
> RCU holdout but I'll wait for others to comment if it is safe to do so
> or if we are missing something.

I'm running some tests and I'll follow your suggestion if no problem
found, thanks for the suggestion.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-04-01  8:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-17 10:56 [RFC PATCH 0/7] Defer throttle when task exits to user Aaron Lu
2025-03-13  7:21 ` [RFC PATCH 1/7] sched/fair: Add related data structure for task based throttle Aaron Lu
2025-03-17 10:28   ` Valentin Schneider
2025-03-17 11:02     ` Aaron Lu
2025-03-13  7:21 ` [RFC PATCH 2/7] sched/fair: Handle throttle path " Aaron Lu
2025-03-13 18:14   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-14  8:48     ` Aaron Lu
2025-03-14  9:00       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-14  3:28   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-14  8:57     ` Aaron Lu
2025-03-14  9:12       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-14 15:10         ` Aaron Lu
2025-03-14  8:39   ` Chengming Zhou
2025-03-14  8:49     ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-14  9:42     ` Aaron Lu
2025-03-14 10:26       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-14 11:47         ` Aaron Lu
2025-03-14 15:58           ` Chengming Zhou
2025-03-14 18:04           ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-14 11:07       ` Chengming Zhou
2025-03-31  6:42         ` Aaron Lu
2025-03-31  9:14           ` Chengming Zhou
2025-03-16  3:25   ` Josh Don
2025-03-17  2:54     ` Chengming Zhou
2025-03-20  6:59       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-20  8:39         ` Chengming Zhou
2025-03-20 18:40           ` Xi Wang
2025-03-24  8:58             ` Aaron Lu
2025-03-25 10:02               ` Aaron Lu
2025-03-28  0:11                 ` Xi Wang
2025-03-28  3:11                   ` Aaron Lu
2025-03-28 22:47         ` Benjamin Segall
2025-03-19 13:43     ` Aaron Lu
2025-03-20  1:06       ` Josh Don
2025-03-20  6:53     ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-13  7:21 ` [RFC PATCH 3/7] sched/fair: Handle unthrottle " Aaron Lu
2025-03-14  3:53   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-14  4:06     ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-14 10:43     ` Aaron Lu
2025-03-14 17:52       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-17  5:48         ` Aaron Lu
2025-04-02  9:25         ` Aaron Lu
2025-04-02 17:24           ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-13  7:21 ` [RFC PATCH 4/7] sched/fair: Take care of migrated task " Aaron Lu
2025-03-14  4:03   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-14  9:49     ` [External] " Aaron Lu
2025-03-13  7:21 ` [RFC PATCH 5/7] sched/fair: Take care of group/affinity/sched_class change for throttled task Aaron Lu
2025-03-14  4:51   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-14 11:40     ` [External] " Aaron Lu
2025-03-13  7:22 ` [RFC PATCH 6/7] sched/fair: fix tasks_rcu with task based throttle Aaron Lu
2025-03-14  4:14   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-14 11:37     ` [External] " Aaron Lu
2025-03-31  6:19     ` Aaron Lu
2025-04-01  3:17       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-04-01  8:48         ` Aaron Lu [this message]
2025-03-13  7:22 ` [RFC PATCH 7/7] sched/fair: Make sure cfs_rq has enough runtime_remaining on unthrottle path Aaron Lu
2025-03-14  4:18   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-14 11:39     ` [External] " Aaron Lu

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