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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: "Christoph Hellwig" <hch@infradead.org>,
	virtio-comment@lists.linux.dev,
	"Claire Chang" <tientzu@chromium.org>,
	linux-devicetree <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Rob Herring" <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	"Jörg Roedel" <joro@8bytes.org>,
	iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	graf@amazon.de
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] content: Add VIRTIO_F_SWIOTLB to negotiate use of SWIOTLB bounce buffers
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2025 04:32:39 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250404043016-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <67bd998bfe385088ef863342b9f8714754585476.camel@infradead.org>

On Fri, Apr 04, 2025 at 09:16:44AM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Fri, 2025-04-04 at 04:09 -0400, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 04, 2025 at 08:50:47AM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
> > > What's annoying is that this should work out of the box *already* with
> > > virtio-mmio and a `restricted-dma-pool` — for systems which aren't
> > > afflicted by UEFI/ACPI/PCI as their discovery mechanisms.
> > 
> > 
> > That specifically would be just a driver bugfix then?
> 
> I actually think it works out of the box and there isn't even a bug to
> fix. Haven't tested yet.
> 
> The sad part is that the system does it all automatically *if* it has
> CONFIG_DMA_RESTRICTED_POOL (e.g. Linux) and the driver never even
> notices that the dma_ops it's using are the swiotlb ops using the
> provided buffer.
> 
> Which is *kind* of nice... except that when on a guest OS which *isn't*
> Linux with CONFIG_DMA_RESTRICTED_POOL, the guest will just ignore the
> `restricted-dma-pool` node and try DMA to system memory anyway, which
> will fail.

I mean, it's easy to misconfigure Linux, this is why we love it ;) Why
is this such a concern?

> That's why my proposal adds the negotiated VIRTIO_F_SWIOTLB feature, so
> that the device side can refuse, if the guest *isn't* agreeing to use
> the bounce buffer in the situations where it must do so.


OTOH then setting this feature and if you make the device force it,
you are breaking guests restricted-dma-pool which worked previously, no?

-- 
MST


  reply	other threads:[~2025-04-04  8:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-02 11:04 [RFC PATCH 0/3] Add Software IOTLB bounce buffer support David Woodhouse
2025-04-02 11:04 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] content: Add VIRTIO_F_SWIOTLB to negotiate use of SWIOTLB bounce buffers David Woodhouse
2025-04-02 14:54   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-02 15:12     ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-02 15:20       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-02 15:47         ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-02 15:51           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-02 16:16             ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-02 16:43               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-02 17:10                 ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-03  7:29                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-03  7:37                     ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-03  7:39                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-03  7:43                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-03  7:44                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-03  8:10                         ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-04  6:29                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-04  6:39                             ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-04  6:44                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-04  6:45                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-03  7:41                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-03  7:31                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-03  7:45                     ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-03  8:06                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-03  7:13   ` Zhu Lingshan
2025-04-03  7:24     ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-03  7:31       ` Zhu Lingshan
2025-04-04 10:27         ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-03  7:34     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-03  7:54       ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-03  8:13         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-03  8:22           ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-03  8:34             ` Zhu Lingshan
2025-04-03  8:57               ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-06  6:23                 ` Zhu Lingshan
2025-04-03 13:19             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-03  7:24   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-03  7:28     ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-03  7:35       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-03  8:06         ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-04  6:35           ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-04  7:50             ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-04  8:09               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-04  8:16                 ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-04  8:32                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2025-04-04  9:27                     ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-04 10:15                       ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-04 10:37                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-04 11:15                           ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-06 18:28                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-06 18:47                               ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-07  7:30                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-07  7:54                               ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-07  9:05                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-07 10:09                                   ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-07 14:06                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-07 14:59                                       ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-07 12:14                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-07 12:46                               ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-07  7:26                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-07  7:23                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-07  7:19                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-04  8:23               ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-04  9:39                 ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-07  7:34                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-07  9:40                     ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-02 11:04 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] transport-mmio: Document restricted-dma-pool SWIOTLB bounce buffer David Woodhouse
2025-04-02 11:04 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] transport-pci: Add SWIOTLB bounce buffer capability David Woodhouse
2025-04-02 14:58   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-02 15:21     ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-03  7:27   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-03  7:36     ` Zhu Lingshan
2025-04-03  7:37       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-03  8:12         ` Zhu Lingshan
2025-04-03  8:16           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-03  8:37             ` Zhu Lingshan
2025-04-03  8:44     ` David Woodhouse

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