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From: Nathan Chancellor <nathan@kernel.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Josh Poimboeuf" <jpoimboe@kernel.org>,
	"Harry Wentland" <harry.wentland@amd.com>,
	"Leo Li" <sunpeng.li@amd.com>,
	"Alex Deucher" <alexander.deucher@amd.com>,
	"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
	"David Airlie" <airlied@gmail.com>,
	"Simona Vetter" <simona@ffwll.ch>,
	"Nick Desaulniers" <nick.desaulniers+lkml@gmail.com>,
	"Bill Wendling" <morbo@google.com>,
	"Justin Stitt" <justinstitt@google.com>,
	"the arch/x86 maintainers" <x86@kernel.org>,
	dri-devel <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	llvm@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: clang and drm issue: objtool warnings from clang build
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2025 19:23:44 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250426232344.GA1395819@ax162> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wgPCbZv0JgqoNWMOO+p=N772YW16xYk_pmb1GU7aeuPFA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Apr 26, 2025 at 01:56:59PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> IOW, there's a *big* difference between "the programmer told me this
> is unreachable, so I won't generate code past this point" and "I have
> decided this is undefined behavior, so now I won't generate code past
> this point".
> 
> So what I'm asking for is absolutely not "trap on unreachable". That's
> wrong and just plain stupid.
> 
> I'm asking for "trap on UD instead of *assuming* it's unreachable".
> 
> Because clearly that code *can* be reached, it's just doing something undefined.
> 
> See? Big big difference.

Ah yes, that is a big yet subtle difference that I had not considered,
my bad for missing that. I was only thinking about the implicitly
inserted __builtin_unreachable() from potential UB, not the explicitly
added ones from the developers.

I suspect that it would not be easy to split that distinction in LLVM
but since I am not a compiler person, I will see if this has come up
before and talk to people otherwise. I know there has been work in LLVM
to try and stop undefined behavior from destroying control flow with
things like the freeze instruction but I am not sure that would help us
in this situation. Pardon my ignorance though, isn't something like this
basically just '-fsanitize=undefined -fsanitize-trap=all'?

Cheers,
Nathan

  reply	other threads:[~2025-04-26 23:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-26 17:42 clang and drm issue: objtool warnings from clang build Linus Torvalds
2025-04-26 17:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-26 20:05   ` Nathan Chancellor
2025-04-26 20:56     ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-26 23:23       ` Nathan Chancellor [this message]
2025-04-27  0:31         ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-28 18:08           ` Bill Wendling
2025-04-28 19:34             ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-28 19:54               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2025-04-28 20:57                 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-28 20:58               ` Bill Wendling
2025-04-29  9:17               ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-28 17:53       ` Bill Wendling

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