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From: Aaron Lu <ziqianlu@bytedance.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>,
	K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	Josh Don <joshdon@google.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Xi Wang <xii@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Chengming Zhou <chengming.zhou@linux.dev>,
	Chuyi Zhou <zhouchuyi@bytedance.com>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	Florian Bezdeka <florian.bezdeka@siemens.com>,
	Paul McKenney <paulmck@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/7] sched/fair: prepare throttle path for task based throttle
Date: Fri, 23 May 2025 19:17:22 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250523111016.GA1240558@bytedance> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250523105222.GJ24938@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 12:52:22PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 05:53:50PM +0800, Aaron Lu wrote:
> > On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 08:40:02PM +0800, Aaron Lu wrote:
> > > On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 01:54:18PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > > On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 07:44:55PM +0800, Aaron Lu wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 12:48:43PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > > > > On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 06:41:05PM +0800, Aaron Lu wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > >  static void throttle_cfs_rq_work(struct callback_head *work)
> > > > > > >  {
> > > > > > > +	struct task_struct *p = container_of(work, struct task_struct, sched_throttle_work);
> > > > > > > +	struct sched_entity *se;
> > > > > > > +	struct cfs_rq *cfs_rq;
> > > > > > > +	struct rq *rq;
> > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > +	WARN_ON_ONCE(p != current);
> > > > > > > +	p->sched_throttle_work.next = &p->sched_throttle_work;
> > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > +	/*
> > > > > > > +	 * If task is exiting, then there won't be a return to userspace, so we
> > > > > > > +	 * don't have to bother with any of this.
> > > > > > > +	 */
> > > > > > > +	if ((p->flags & PF_EXITING))
> > > > > > > +		return;
> > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > +	scoped_guard(task_rq_lock, p) {
> > > > > > > +		se = &p->se;
> > > > > > > +		cfs_rq = cfs_rq_of(se);
> > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > +		/* Raced, forget */
> > > > > > > +		if (p->sched_class != &fair_sched_class)
> > > > > > > +			return;
> > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > +		/*
> > > > > > > +		 * If not in limbo, then either replenish has happened or this
> > > > > > > +		 * task got migrated out of the throttled cfs_rq, move along.
> > > > > > > +		 */
> > > > > > > +		if (!cfs_rq->throttle_count)
> > > > > > > +			return;
> > > > > > > +		rq = scope.rq;
> > > > > > > +		update_rq_clock(rq);
> > > > > > > +		WARN_ON_ONCE(!list_empty(&p->throttle_node));
> > > > > > > +		dequeue_task_fair(rq, p, DEQUEUE_SLEEP | DEQUEUE_SPECIAL);
> > > > > > > +		list_add(&p->throttle_node, &cfs_rq->throttled_limbo_list);
> > > > > > > +		resched_curr(rq);
> > > > > > > +	}
> > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > +	cond_resched_tasks_rcu_qs();
> > > > > > >  }
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > What's that cond_resched thing about? The general plan is to make
> > > > > > cond_resched go away.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Got it.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The purpose is to let throttled task schedule and also mark a task rcu
> > > > > quiescent state. Without this cond_resched_tasks_rcu_qs(), this task
> > > > > will be scheduled by cond_resched() in task_work_run() and since that is
> > > > > a preempt schedule, it didn't mark a task rcu quiescent state.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Any suggestion here? Perhaps a plain schedule()? Thanks.
> > > > 
> > > > I am confused, this is task_work_run(), that is ran from
> > > > exit_to_user_mode_loop(), which contains a schedule().
> > >
> > 
> > I should probably have added that the schedule() call contained in
> > exit_to_user_mode_loop() is early in that loop, where the to-be-throttled
> > task doesn't have need_resched bit set yet.
> 
> No, but if it does get set, it will get picked up at:
> 
> 	ti_work = read_thread_flags();
> 
> and since TIF_NEED_RESCHED is part of EXIT_TO_USER_MODE_WORK, we'll get
> another cycle, and do the schedule() thing.
> 
> > > There is a cond_resched() in task_work_run() loop:
> > > 
> > > 		do {
> > > 			next = work->next;
> > > 			work->func(work);
> > > 			work = next;
> > > 			cond_resched();
> > > 		} while (work);
> 
> That cond_resched() is equally going away.

Good to know this.

As long as this cond_resched() goes away, there is no need for an
explicite schedule() or any of its other forms in this throttle task
work.

> > > And when this throttle work returns with need_resched bit set,
> > > cond_resched() will cause a schedule but that didn't mark a task
> > > quiescent state...
> > 
> > Another approach I can think of is to add a test of task_is_throttled()
> > in rcu_tasks_is_holdout(). I remembered when I tried this before, I can
> > hit the following path:
> 
> So this really is about task_rcu needing something? Let me go look at
> task-rcu.

Yes. I found this problem when using bpftrace to profile something and
bpftrace couldn't start untill the test is finished :)

I'm assuming bpftrace need those throttled tasks properly mark a qs
state. With this change here, bpftrace can start normally when the test
is running.

> 
> So AFAICT, exit_to_user_mode_loop() will do schedule(), which will call
> __schedule(SM_NONE), which then will have preempt = false and call:
> rcu_note_context_switch(false) which in turn will do:
> rcu_task_rq(current, false).
> 
> This should be sufficient, no?

Yes, as long as that cond_resched() in task_work_run() loop is gone.

I'll also give it a test and will let you know if I find anything
unexpected.

Thanks,
Aaron

  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-23 11:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-20 10:41 [PATCH 0/7] Defer throttle when task exits to user Aaron Lu
2025-05-20 10:41 ` [PATCH 1/7] sched/fair: Add related data structure for task based throttle Aaron Lu
2025-05-21  8:48   ` Chengming Zhou
2025-05-20 10:41 ` [PATCH 2/7] sched/fair: prepare throttle path " Aaron Lu
2025-05-20 12:02   ` Florian Bezdeka
2025-05-21  6:37     ` Aaron Lu
2025-05-21 11:51       ` Aaron Lu
2025-05-21  9:01   ` Chengming Zhou
2025-05-21  9:21     ` [External] " Aaron Lu
2025-05-22 11:43       ` Chengming Zhou
2025-05-23  8:03         ` Aaron Lu
2025-05-22 10:48   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-05-22 11:44     ` Aaron Lu
2025-05-22 11:54       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-05-22 12:40         ` Aaron Lu
2025-05-23  9:53           ` Aaron Lu
2025-05-23 10:52             ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-05-23 11:17               ` Aaron Lu [this message]
2025-05-22 11:07   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-05-23  7:40     ` Aaron Lu
2025-05-29 11:51       ` Aaron Lu
2025-05-30  5:36         ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-05-30 11:02           ` Aaron Lu
2025-05-23 12:35   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-05-20 10:41 ` [PATCH 3/7] sched/fair: prepare unthrottle " Aaron Lu
2025-05-20 10:41 ` [PATCH 4/7] sched/fair: Take care of group/affinity/sched_class change for throttled task Aaron Lu
2025-05-22 12:03   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-05-22 12:49     ` Aaron Lu
2025-05-23 14:59       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-05-26 11:36         ` Aaron Lu
2025-05-27  6:58           ` Aaron Lu
2025-05-27 11:19             ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-05-27 11:54               ` Aaron Lu
2025-05-27 14:16                 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-05-23  2:43   ` Chengming Zhou
2025-05-23  7:56     ` Aaron Lu
2025-05-23  9:13       ` Chengming Zhou
2025-05-23  9:42         ` Aaron Lu
2025-05-23  9:53           ` Chengming Zhou
2025-05-23 11:59             ` Aaron Lu
2025-05-26 13:14               ` Chengming Zhou
2025-05-20 10:41 ` [PATCH 5/7] sched/fair: switch to task based throttle model Aaron Lu
2025-05-20 10:41 ` [PATCH 6/7] sched/fair: task based throttle time accounting Aaron Lu
2025-05-20 10:41 ` [PATCH 7/7] sched/fair: get rid of throttled_lb_pair() Aaron Lu

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