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From: Byungchul Park <byungchul@sk.com>
To: Mina Almasry <almasrymina@google.com>
Cc: Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 18/18] mm, netmem: remove the page pool members in struct page
Date: Wed, 28 May 2025 10:31:45 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250528013145.GB2986@system.software.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHS8izNYmWTgb+QDA72RYAQaFC15Tfc59tK3Q2d670gHyyKJNQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 27, 2025 at 10:38:43AM -0700, Mina Almasry wrote:
> On Mon, May 26, 2025 at 10:29 PM Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 5/27/25 02:02, Byungchul Park wrote:
> > ...>> Patch 1:
> > >>
> > >> struct page {
> > >>      unsigned long flags;
> > >>      union {
> > >>              struct_group_tagged(netmem_desc, netmem_desc) {
> > >>                      // same layout as before
> > >>                      ...
> > >>                      struct page_pool *pp;
> > >>                      ...
> > >>              };
> > >
> > > This part will be gone shortly.  The matters come from absence of this
> > > part.
> >
> > Right, the problem is not having an explicit netmem_desc in struct
> > page and not using struct netmem_desc in all relevant helpers.
> >
> > >> struct net_iov {
> > >>      unsigned long flags_padding;
> > >>      union {
> > >>              struct {
> > >>                      // same layout as in page + build asserts;
> > >>                      ...
> > >>                      struct page_pool *pp;
> > >>                      ...
> > >>              };
> > >>              struct netmem_desc desc;
> > >>      };
> > >> };
> > >>
> > >> struct netmem_desc *page_to_netmem_desc(struct page *page)
> > >> {
> > >>      return &page->netmem_desc;
> > >
> > > page will not have any netmem things in it after this, that matters.
> >
> > Ok, the question is where are you going to stash the fields?
> > We still need space to store them. Are you going to do the
> > indirection mm folks want?
> >
> 
> I think I see some confusion here. I'm not sure indirection is what mm
> folks want. The memdesc effort has already been implemented for zpdesc
> and ptdesc[1], and the approach they did is very different from this
> series. zpdesc and ptdesc have created a struct that mirrors the

It's struct netmem_desc.  Just introducing struct netmem_desc that looks
exact same as struct net_iov, is ugly.

> entirety of struct page, not a subfield of struct page with
> indirection:

I think you got confused.

At the beginning, I tried to place a place-holder:

   https://lore.kernel.org/all/20250512125103.GC45370@system.software.com/

But changed the direction as Matthew requested:

   https://lore.kernel.org/all/aCK6J2YtA7vi1Kjz@casper.infradead.org/

So now, I will go with the same direction as the others.  I will share
the updates version with the assert issues fixed.

	Byungchul
> 
> https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v6.14.3/source/mm/zpdesc.h#L29
> 
> I'm now a bit confused, because the code changes in this series do not
> match the general approach that zpdesc and ptdesc have done.
> Byungchul, is the deviation in approach from zpdesc and ptdecs
> intentional? And if so why? Should we follow the zpdesc and ptdesc
> lead and implement a new struct that mirrors the entirety of struct
> page?
> 
> [1] https://kernelnewbies.org/MatthewWilcox/Memdescs/Path
> 
> --
> Thanks,
> Mina

  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-28  1:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-23  3:25 [PATCH 00/18] Split netmem from struct page Byungchul Park
2025-05-23  3:25 ` [PATCH 01/18] netmem: introduce struct netmem_desc struct_group_tagged()'ed on struct net_iov Byungchul Park
2025-05-23  9:01   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2025-05-26  0:56     ` Byungchul Park
2025-05-23 17:00   ` Mina Almasry
2025-05-26  1:15     ` Byungchul Park
2025-05-27  2:50   ` Byungchul Park
2025-05-27 20:03     ` Mina Almasry
2025-05-28  1:21       ` Byungchul Park
2025-05-28  3:47         ` Mina Almasry
2025-05-28  5:03           ` Byungchul Park
2025-05-28  7:43             ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-05-28  8:17               ` Byungchul Park
2025-05-28  7:38         ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-05-23  3:25 ` [PATCH 02/18] netmem: introduce netmem alloc APIs to wrap page alloc APIs Byungchul Park
2025-05-23  3:25 ` [PATCH 03/18] page_pool: use netmem alloc/put APIs in __page_pool_alloc_page_order() Byungchul Park
2025-05-23  3:25 ` [PATCH 04/18] page_pool: rename __page_pool_alloc_page_order() to __page_pool_alloc_large_netmem() Byungchul Park
2025-05-23  3:25 ` [PATCH 05/18] page_pool: use netmem alloc/put APIs in __page_pool_alloc_pages_slow() Byungchul Park
2025-05-23  3:25 ` [PATCH 06/18] page_pool: rename page_pool_return_page() to page_pool_return_netmem() Byungchul Park
2025-05-28  3:18   ` Mina Almasry
2025-05-23  3:25 ` [PATCH 07/18] page_pool: use netmem put API in page_pool_return_netmem() Byungchul Park
2025-05-23  3:25 ` [PATCH 08/18] page_pool: rename __page_pool_release_page_dma() to __page_pool_release_netmem_dma() Byungchul Park
2025-05-23  3:26 ` [PATCH 09/18] page_pool: rename __page_pool_put_page() to __page_pool_put_netmem() Byungchul Park
2025-05-23  3:26 ` [PATCH 10/18] page_pool: rename __page_pool_alloc_pages_slow() to __page_pool_alloc_netmems_slow() Byungchul Park
2025-05-23  3:26 ` [PATCH 11/18] mlx4: use netmem descriptor and APIs for page pool Byungchul Park
2025-05-23  3:26 ` [PATCH 12/18] page_pool: use netmem APIs to access page->pp_magic in page_pool_page_is_pp() Byungchul Park
2025-05-23  8:58   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2025-05-23 17:21   ` Mina Almasry
2025-05-26  2:23     ` Byungchul Park
2025-05-26  2:36       ` Byungchul Park
2025-05-26  8:40         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2025-05-26  9:43           ` Byungchul Park
2025-05-26  9:54             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2025-05-26 10:01               ` Byungchul Park
2025-05-28  5:14               ` Byungchul Park
2025-05-28  7:35                 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2025-05-28  8:15                   ` Byungchul Park
2025-05-28  7:51       ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-05-28  8:14         ` Byungchul Park
2025-05-28  9:07           ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-05-28  9:14             ` Byungchul Park
2025-05-28  9:20               ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-05-28  9:33                 ` Byungchul Park
2025-05-28  9:51                   ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-05-28 10:44                     ` Byungchul Park
2025-05-28 10:54                       ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-05-23  3:26 ` [PATCH 13/18] mlx5: use netmem descriptor and APIs for page pool Byungchul Park
2025-05-23 17:13   ` Mina Almasry
2025-05-26  3:08     ` Byungchul Park
2025-05-26  8:12       ` Byungchul Park
2025-05-26 18:00         ` Mina Almasry
2025-05-23  3:26 ` [PATCH 14/18] netmem: use _Generic to cover const casting for page_to_netmem() Byungchul Park
2025-05-23 17:14   ` Mina Almasry
2025-05-23  3:26 ` [PATCH 15/18] netmem: remove __netmem_get_pp() Byungchul Park
2025-05-23  3:26 ` [PATCH 16/18] page_pool: make page_pool_get_dma_addr() just wrap page_pool_get_dma_addr_netmem() Byungchul Park
2025-05-23  3:26 ` [PATCH 17/18] netdevsim: use netmem descriptor and APIs for page pool Byungchul Park
2025-05-23  3:26 ` [PATCH 18/18] mm, netmem: remove the page pool members in struct page Byungchul Park
2025-05-23 17:16   ` kernel test robot
2025-05-23 17:55   ` Mina Almasry
2025-05-26  1:37     ` Byungchul Park
2025-05-26 16:58       ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-05-26 17:33         ` Mina Almasry
2025-05-27  1:02         ` Byungchul Park
2025-05-27  1:31           ` Byungchul Park
2025-05-27  5:30           ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-05-27 17:38             ` Mina Almasry
2025-05-28  1:31               ` Byungchul Park [this message]
2025-05-28  7:21               ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-05-23  6:20 ` [PATCH 00/18] Split netmem from " Taehee Yoo
2025-05-23  7:47   ` Byungchul Park
2025-05-23 17:47 ` SeongJae Park
2025-05-26  1:16   ` Byungchul Park

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