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From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: Bui Quang Minh <minhquangbui99@gmail.com>
Cc: "Paolo Abeni" <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Jason Wang" <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	"Xuan Zhuo" <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"Eugenio Pérez" <eperezma@redhat.com>,
	"Andrew Lunn" <andrew+netdev@lunn.ch>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"Eric Dumazet" <edumazet@google.com>,
	"Alexei Starovoitov" <ast@kernel.org>,
	"Daniel Borkmann" <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	"Jesper Dangaard Brouer" <hawk@kernel.org>,
	"John Fastabend" <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	virtualization@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org, stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net] virtio-net: drop the multi-buffer XDP packet in zerocopy
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2025 13:37:50 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250610133750.7c43e634@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e2de0cd8-6ee2-4dab-9d41-cfe5e85d796d@gmail.com>

On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 22:18:32 +0700 Bui Quang Minh wrote:
> >> Furthermore, we are in the zerocopy so we cannot linearize by
> >> allocating a large enough buffer to cover the whole frame then copy the
> >> frame data to it. That's not zerocopy anymore. Also, XDP socket zerocopy
> >> receive has assumption that the packet it receives must from the umem
> >> pool. AFAIK, the generic XDP path is for copy mode only.  
> > Generic XDP == do_xdp_generic(), here I think you mean the normal XDP
> > patch in the virtio driver? If so then no, XDP is very much not
> > expected to copy each frame before processing.  
> 
> Yes, I mean generic XDP = do_xdp_generic(). I mean that we can linearize 
> the frame if needed (like in netif_skb_check_for_xdp()) in copy mode for 
> XDP socket but not in zerocopy mode.

Okay, I meant the copies in the driver - virtio calls
xdp_linearize_page() in a few places, for normal XDP.

> > This is only slightly related to you patch but while we talk about
> > multi-buf - in the netdev CI the test which sends ping while XDP
> > multi-buf program is attached is really flaky :(
> > https://netdev.bots.linux.dev/contest.html?executor=vmksft-drv-hw&test=ping-py.ping-test-xdp-native-mb&ld-cases=1  
> 
> metal-drv-hw means the NETIF is the real NIC, right?

The "metal" in the name refers to the AWS instance type that hosts 
the runner. The test runs in a VM over virtio, more details:
https://github.com/linux-netdev/nipa/wiki/Running-driver-tests-on-virtio

  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-10 20:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-03 15:06 [PATCH net] virtio-net: drop the multi-buffer XDP packet in zerocopy Bui Quang Minh
2025-06-04  0:37 ` Jason Wang
2025-06-04 14:17   ` Bui Quang Minh
2025-06-05  0:46     ` Jason Wang
2025-06-04 16:55 ` Zvi Effron
2025-06-05 14:25   ` Bui Quang Minh
2025-06-05 11:03 ` Paolo Abeni
2025-06-05 14:33   ` Bui Quang Minh
2025-06-05 14:48     ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-06-06 15:48       ` Bui Quang Minh
2025-06-09 16:58         ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-06-10 15:18           ` Bui Quang Minh
2025-06-10 20:37             ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2025-06-13 15:58               ` Bui Quang Minh
2025-06-13  1:51 ` Xuan Zhuo

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