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From: Aaron Lu <ziqianlu@bytedance.com>
To: Benjamin Segall <bsegall@google.com>
Cc: Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Chengming Zhou <chengming.zhou@linux.dev>,
	Josh Don <joshdon@google.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Xi Wang <xii@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Chuyi Zhou <zhouchuyi@bytedance.com>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	Florian Bezdeka <florian.bezdeka@siemens.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/5] Defer throttle when task exits to user
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2025 14:34:56 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250703063411.GA137889@bytedance> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xm26qzyyb6cn.fsf@google.com>

Hi Benjamin,

Thanks for taking a look.

On Wed, Jul 02, 2025 at 03:00:56PM -0700, Benjamin Segall wrote:
> Aaron Lu <ziqianlu@bytedance.com> writes:
> 
> > For pelt clock, I chose to keep the current behavior to freeze it on
> > cfs_rq's throttle time. The assumption is that tasks running in kernel
> > mode should not last too long, freezing the cfs_rq's pelt clock can keep
> > its load and its corresponding sched_entity's weight. Hopefully, this can
> > result in a stable situation for the remaining running tasks to quickly
> > finish their jobs in kernel mode.
> 
> I suppose the way that this would go wrong would be CPU 1 using up all
> of the quota, and then a task waking up on CPU 2 and trying to run in
> the kernel for a while. I suspect pelt time needs to also keep running
> until all the tasks are asleep (and that's what we have been running at
> google with the version based on separate accounting, so we haven't
> accidentally done a large scale test of letting it pause).
>

Got it, I'll rework this part to keep pelt clock ticking and only stop
it when all tasks of a throttled cfs_rq get either throttled or blocked.
I will paste a diff on top of this series and if the diff looks OK, I'll
fold it to patch3 in next version.

> Otherwise it does look ok, so long as we're ok with increasing distribute
> time again.

Good to know this!

About not strictly limiting quota, I suppose that is a trade off and
having a system that is operating properly is better than a system with
task hung or even deadlock.

Best regards,
Aaron

  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-03  6:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-18  8:19 [PATCH v2 0/5] Defer throttle when task exits to user Aaron Lu
2025-06-18  8:19 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] sched/fair: Add related data structure for task based throttle Aaron Lu
2025-06-18  8:19 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] sched/fair: Implement throttle task work and related helpers Aaron Lu
2025-06-18  9:03   ` Chengming Zhou
2025-06-18  8:19 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] sched/fair: Switch to task based throttle model Aaron Lu
2025-06-18  9:55   ` Chengming Zhou
2025-06-18 11:19     ` Aaron Lu
2025-06-19 12:02       ` Chengming Zhou
2025-06-18  8:19 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] sched/fair: Task based throttle time accounting Aaron Lu
2025-06-18  8:19 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] sched/fair: Get rid of throttled_lb_pair() Aaron Lu
2025-07-01  8:31 ` [PATCH v2 0/5] Defer throttle when task exits to user Aaron Lu
2025-07-03  7:37   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-07-03 11:51     ` Aaron Lu
2025-07-02  4:25 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-07-02  8:51   ` Aaron Lu
2025-07-02 22:00 ` Benjamin Segall
2025-07-03  6:34   ` Aaron Lu [this message]
2025-07-04  4:34   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-07-04  7:54     ` Aaron Lu
2025-07-04  8:48       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-07-04  9:47         ` Aaron Lu

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