From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: Max Kellermann <max.kellermann@ionos.com>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 20/21] __dentry_kill(): new locking scheme
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2025 23:37:53 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250707223753.GQ1880847@ZenIV> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250707221917.GO1880847@ZenIV>
On Mon, Jul 07, 2025 at 11:19:17PM +0100, Al Viro wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 07, 2025 at 11:47:04PM +0200, Max Kellermann wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 7, 2025 at 11:32 PM Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> wrote:
> > > The second d_walk() does not have the if (!data.found) break; after it.
> > > So if your point is that we should ignore these and bail out as soon as we
> > > reach that state, we are not getting any closer to it.
> >
> > Not quite. My point is that you shouldn't be busy-waiting. And
> > whatever it is that leads to busy-waiting, it should be fixed
> >
> > I don't know how the dcache works, and whatever solution I suggest,
> > it's not well-founded. I still don't even know why you added that "<0"
> > check.
>
> Take a look at shrink_dcache_for_umount(). We really should not progress
> past it in such situation. And dentry can be in a shrink list *WITHOUT*
> the need to pin the superblock it belongs to.
... and the same goes for memory pressure, BTW.
Suppose you have a tree with everything in it having refcounts equal to number
of their children. _Nothing_ is busy, nothing is getting evicted at the moment.
You are asked to evict everything evictable in there. It would be rather odd
if you ended up with some dentries sticking around (_still_ with refcounts
equal to the number of their surviving children) just because in the middle
of your work a memory pressure had been applied and started evicting one of
the leaves in that tree (none of them busy, all leaves have refcount 0, so
all of them are evictable).
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-07-07 22:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-11-24 6:02 [RFC][PATCHSET v3] simplifying fast_dput(), dentry_kill() et.al Al Viro
2023-11-24 6:04 ` [PATCH v3 01/21] switch nfsd_client_rmdir() to use of simple_recursive_removal() Al Viro
2023-11-24 6:04 ` [PATCH v3 02/21] coda_flag_children(): cope with dentries turning negative Al Viro
2023-11-24 21:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-24 22:58 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-11-24 6:04 ` [PATCH v3 03/21] dentry: switch the lists of children to hlist Al Viro
2023-11-24 7:44 ` Amir Goldstein
2023-11-24 7:55 ` Al Viro
2023-11-24 8:02 ` Amir Goldstein
2023-11-24 6:04 ` [PATCH v3 04/21] centralize killing dentry from shrink list Al Viro
2023-11-24 6:04 ` [PATCH v3 05/21] shrink_dentry_list(): no need to check that dentry refcount is marked dead Al Viro
2023-11-24 6:04 ` [PATCH v3 06/21] fast_dput(): having ->d_delete() is not reason to delay refcount decrement Al Viro
2023-11-24 6:04 ` [PATCH v3 07/21] fast_dput(): handle underflows gracefully Al Viro
2023-11-24 6:04 ` [PATCH v3 08/21] fast_dput(): new rules for refcount Al Viro
2023-11-24 6:04 ` [PATCH v3 09/21] __dput_to_list(): do decrement of refcount in the callers Al Viro
2023-11-24 6:04 ` [PATCH v3 10/21] make retain_dentry() neutral with respect to refcounting Al Viro
2023-11-24 6:04 ` [PATCH v3 11/21] __dentry_kill(): get consistent rules for victim's refcount Al Viro
2023-11-24 6:04 ` [PATCH v3 12/21] dentry_kill(): don't bother with retain_dentry() on slow path Al Viro
2023-11-24 6:04 ` [PATCH v3 13/21] Call retain_dentry() with refcount 0 Al Viro
2023-11-24 6:04 ` [PATCH v3 14/21] fold the call of retain_dentry() into fast_dput() Al Viro
2023-11-24 6:04 ` [PATCH v3 15/21] don't try to cut corners in shrink_lock_dentry() Al Viro
2023-11-24 6:04 ` [PATCH v3 16/21] fold dentry_kill() into dput() Al Viro
2023-11-24 6:04 ` [PATCH v3 17/21] to_shrink_list(): call only if refcount is 0 Al Viro
2023-11-24 6:04 ` [PATCH v3 18/21] switch select_collect{,2}() to use of to_shrink_list() Al Viro
2023-11-24 6:04 ` [PATCH v3 19/21] d_prune_aliases(): use a shrink list Al Viro
2023-11-24 6:04 ` [PATCH v3 20/21] __dentry_kill(): new locking scheme Al Viro
2025-07-07 17:20 ` Max Kellermann
2025-07-07 17:29 ` Al Viro
2025-07-07 17:43 ` Max Kellermann
2025-07-07 18:00 ` Al Viro
2025-07-07 18:11 ` Max Kellermann
2025-07-07 19:31 ` Al Viro
2025-07-07 20:00 ` Max Kellermann
2025-07-07 20:31 ` Al Viro
2025-07-07 20:39 ` Max Kellermann
2025-07-07 20:49 ` Al Viro
2025-07-07 20:52 ` Max Kellermann
2025-07-07 20:59 ` Al Viro
2025-07-07 21:06 ` Max Kellermann
2025-07-07 21:32 ` Al Viro
2025-07-07 21:47 ` Max Kellermann
2025-07-07 22:19 ` Al Viro
2025-07-07 22:37 ` Al Viro [this message]
2025-07-08 4:45 ` Max Kellermann
2026-01-21 21:55 ` Al Viro
2026-01-22 6:24 ` Al Viro
2025-07-07 22:26 ` Al Viro
2023-11-24 6:04 ` [PATCH v3 21/21] retain_dentry(): introduce a trimmed-down lockless variant Al Viro
2023-11-24 21:28 ` [RFC][PATCHSET v3] simplifying fast_dput(), dentry_kill() et.al Linus Torvalds
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