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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Lukas Wunner <lukas@wunner.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>,
	virtualization@lists.linux.dev, stefanha@redhat.com,
	alok.a.tiwari@oracle.com, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v5 1/5] pci: report surprise removal event
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2025 02:18:48 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250714021751-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aHSfeNhpocI4nmQk@wunner.de>

On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 08:11:04AM +0200, Lukas Wunner wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 09, 2025 at 04:55:26PM -0400, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > At the moment, in case of a surprise removal, the regular remove
> > callback is invoked, exclusively.  This works well, because mostly, the
> > cleanup would be the same.
> > 
> > However, there's a race: imagine device removal was initiated by a user
> > action, such as driver unbind, and it in turn initiated some cleanup and
> > is now waiting for an interrupt from the device. If the device is now
> > surprise-removed, that never arrives and the remove callback hangs
> > forever.
> 
> For PCI devices in a hotplug slot, user space can initiate "safe removal"
> by writing "0" to the hotplug slot's "power" file in sysfs.
> 
> If the PCI device is yanked from the slot while safe removal is ongoing,
> there is likewise no way for the driver to know that the device is
> suddenly gone.  That's because pciehp_unconfigure_device() only calls
> pci_dev_set_disconnected() in the surprise removal case, not for
> safe removal.
> 
> The solution proposed here is thus not a complete one:  It may work
> if user space initiated *driver* removal, but not if it initiated *safe*
> removal of the entire device.  For virtio, that may be sufficient.
> 
> > +++ b/drivers/pci/pci.h
> > @@ -553,6 +553,12 @@ static inline int pci_dev_set_disconnected(struct pci_dev *dev, void *unused)
> >  	pci_dev_set_io_state(dev, pci_channel_io_perm_failure);
> >  	pci_doe_disconnected(dev);
> >  
> > +	if (READ_ONCE(dev->disconnect_work_enable)) {
> > +		/* Make sure work is up to date. */
> > +		smp_rmb();
> > +		schedule_work(&dev->disconnect_work);
> > +	}
> > +
> >  	return 0;
> >  }
> 
> Going through all the callers of pci_dev_set_disconnected(),
> I suppose the (only) one you're interested in is
> pciehp_unconfigure_device().
> 
> The other callers are related to runtime resume, resume from
> system sleep and ACPI slots.
> 
> Instead of amending pci_dev_set_disconnected(), I'd prefer
> an approach where pciehp_unconfigure_device() first marks
> all devices disconnected, then wakes up some global waitqueue, e.g.:
> 
> -	if (!presence)
> +	if (!presence) {
> 		pci_walk_bus(parent, pci_dev_set_disconnected, NULL);
> +		wake_up_all(&pci_disconnected_wq);
> +	}
> 
> The benefit is that there's no delay when marking devices disconnected.
> (Granted, the delay is small for smp_rmb() + schedule_work().)
> And just having a global waitqueue is simpler and may be useful
> for other use cases.
> 
> So instead of adding timeouts when waiting for interrupts, drivers would
> be woken via the waitqueue.
> 
> But again, it's not a complete solution as it doesn't cover the
> "surprise removal during safe removal" case.

Did not realize. Will look into addressing this, thanks!


> I also agree with Bjorn's and Keith's comments that the driver should
> use timeouts for robustness, but still wanted to provide additional
> (hopefully constructive) thoughts.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Lukas

I'll address these comments in the next version.

-- 
MST


  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-14  6:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-09 20:55 [PATCH RFC v5 0/5] pci,virtio: report surprise removal event Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-07-09 20:55 ` [PATCH RFC v5 1/5] pci: " Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-07-09 23:38   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-09 23:55     ` Keith Busch
2025-07-14  6:17       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-07-14  6:26     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-07-14 21:13       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-15  6:28         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-07-16 22:29           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-07-17 15:15             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-07-14  6:11   ` Lukas Wunner
2025-07-14  6:18     ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2025-07-14  6:54     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-07-17 15:11     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-07-17 20:12       ` Lukas Wunner
2025-07-17 23:31         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-07-18  4:35           ` Lukas Wunner
2025-07-18  8:40             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-07-09 20:55 ` [PATCH RFC v5 2/5] virtio: fix comments, readability Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-07-09 20:55 ` [PATCH RFC v5 3/5] virtio: pack config changed flags Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-07-09 20:55 ` [PATCH RFC v5 4/5] virtio: allow transports to suppress config change Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-07-09 20:55 ` [PATCH RFC v5 5/5] virtio: support device disconnect Michael S. Tsirkin

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