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From: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
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Subject: Re: [RFC v2 10/16] luo: luo_ioctl: add ioctl interface
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2025 11:43:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2025071602-ditch-danger-f5da@gregkh> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250714143443.GF1870174@ziepe.ca>

On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 11:34:43AM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 10:26:45AM +0300, Mike Rapoport wrote:
> > IIUC Christian's point was mostly not about using VFS APIs (i.e.
> > read/write) but about using a special pseudo fs rather than devtmpfs to
> > drive ioctls.
> >  
> > So instead of 
> > 
> > 	fd = open("/dev/liveupdate", ...);
> > 	ioctl(fd, ...);
> > 
> > we'd use
> > 
> > 	fd = open("/sys/fs/kexec/control", ...);
> > 	ioctl(fd, ...);
> 
> Please no, /sys/ is much worse.
> 
> /dev/ has lots of infrastructure to control permissions/etc that /sys/
> does not.
> 
> If you want to do ioctls to something that you open() is a character
> dev and you accept the limitations with namespaces, coarse permissions
> and so on.

Then use a special filesystem, and not sysfs.  It's easy to embed a
virtual filesystem in a driver, please do that instead.

thanks,

greg k-h

  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-16  9:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-15 18:23 [RFC v2 00/16] Live Update Orchestrator Pasha Tatashin
2025-05-15 18:23 ` [RFC v2 01/16] kho: make debugfs interface optional Pasha Tatashin
2025-06-04 16:03   ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-06-06 16:12     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-05-15 18:23 ` [RFC v2 02/16] kho: allow to drive kho from within kernel Pasha Tatashin
2025-05-15 18:23 ` [RFC v2 03/16] kho: add kho_unpreserve_folio/phys Pasha Tatashin
2025-06-04 15:00   ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-06-06 16:22     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-05-15 18:23 ` [RFC v2 04/16] luo: luo_core: Live Update Orchestrator Pasha Tatashin
2025-05-26  6:31   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-05-30  5:00     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-06-04 15:17   ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-06-07 17:11     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-05-15 18:23 ` [RFC v2 05/16] luo: luo_core: integrate with KHO Pasha Tatashin
2025-05-26  7:18   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-06-07 17:50     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-06-09  2:14       ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-06-04 16:00   ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-06-07 23:30     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-06-13 14:58       ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-06-17 15:23         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-17 19:32           ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-06-18 13:11             ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-06-18 14:48               ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-06-18 16:40                 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-06-18 17:00                   ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-06-18 17:43                     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-06-19 12:00                       ` Mike Rapoport
2025-06-19 14:22                         ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-06-20 15:28                           ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-06-20 16:03                             ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-06-24 16:12                               ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-06-24 16:55                                 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-06-24 18:31                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-23  7:32                       ` Mike Rapoport
2025-06-23 11:29                         ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-06-25 13:46                           ` Mike Rapoport
2025-05-15 18:23 ` [RFC v2 06/16] luo: luo_subsystems: add subsystem registration Pasha Tatashin
2025-05-26  7:31   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-06-07 23:42     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-05-28 19:12   ` David Matlack
2025-06-07 23:58     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-06-04 16:30   ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-06-08  0:04     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-05-15 18:23 ` [RFC v2 07/16] luo: luo_subsystems: implement subsystem callbacks Pasha Tatashin
2025-05-15 18:23 ` [RFC v2 08/16] luo: luo_files: add infrastructure for FDs Pasha Tatashin
2025-05-15 23:15   ` James Houghton
2025-05-23 18:09     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-05-26  7:55   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-06-05 11:56     ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-06-08 13:13     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-06-05 15:56   ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-06-08 13:37     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-06-13 15:27       ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-06-15 18:02         ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-05-15 18:23 ` [RFC v2 09/16] luo: luo_files: implement file systems callbacks Pasha Tatashin
2025-06-05 16:03   ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-06-08 13:49     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-06-13 15:18       ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-06-13 20:26         ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-06-16 10:43           ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-06-16 14:57             ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-06-18 13:16               ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-05-15 18:23 ` [RFC v2 10/16] luo: luo_ioctl: add ioctl interface Pasha Tatashin
2025-05-26  8:42   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-06-08 15:08     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-05-28 20:29   ` David Matlack
2025-06-08 16:32     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-06-05 16:15   ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-06-08 16:35     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-06-24  9:50   ` Christian Brauner
2025-06-24 14:27     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-06-25  9:36       ` Christian Brauner
2025-06-25 16:12         ` David Matlack
2025-06-26 15:42           ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-06-26 16:24             ` David Matlack
2025-07-14 14:56               ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-07-17 16:17                 ` David Matlack
2025-07-23 14:51                   ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-07-06 14:33             ` Mike Rapoport
2025-07-07 12:56               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-25 16:58         ` pasha.tatashin
2025-07-06 14:24     ` Mike Rapoport
2025-07-09 21:27       ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-07-10  7:26         ` Mike Rapoport
2025-07-14 14:34           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-16  9:43             ` Greg KH [this message]
2025-05-15 18:23 ` [RFC v2 11/16] luo: luo_sysfs: add sysfs state monitoring Pasha Tatashin
2025-06-05 16:20   ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-06-08 16:36     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-06-13 15:13       ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-05-15 18:23 ` [RFC v2 12/16] reboot: call liveupdate_reboot() before kexec Pasha Tatashin
2025-05-15 18:23 ` [RFC v2 13/16] luo: add selftests for subsystems un/registration Pasha Tatashin
2025-05-26  8:52   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-06-08 16:47     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-05-15 18:23 ` [RFC v2 14/16] selftests/liveupdate: add subsystem/state tests Pasha Tatashin
2025-05-15 18:23 ` [RFC v2 15/16] docs: add luo documentation Pasha Tatashin
2025-05-26  9:00   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-05-15 18:23 ` [RFC v2 16/16] MAINTAINERS: add liveupdate entry Pasha Tatashin
2025-05-20  7:25 ` [RFC v2 00/16] Live Update Orchestrator Mike Rapoport
2025-05-23 18:07   ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-05-26  6:32 ` Mike Rapoport

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