From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
To: Mostafa Saleh <smostafa@google.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvmarm@lists.linux.dev,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, iommu@lists.linux.dev,
maz@kernel.org, oliver.upton@linux.dev, joey.gouly@arm.com,
suzuki.poulose@arm.com, yuzenghui@huawei.com,
catalin.marinas@arm.com, will@kernel.org, robin.murphy@arm.com,
jean-philippe@linaro.org, qperret@google.com, tabba@google.com,
mark.rutland@arm.com, praan@google.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 29/29] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Add IOMMU ops
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2025 09:10:56 -0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250812121056.GB599331@ziepe.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aJsXkidmcSl3jUJP@google.com>
On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 10:29:38AM +0000, Mostafa Saleh wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2025 at 03:55:23PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 06, 2025 at 02:10:35PM +0000, Mostafa Saleh wrote:
> > > I am not sure I understand, the SMMU driver will register its IOMMU
> > > ops to probe the devices
> >
> > You couldn't do this. But why do you need the iommu subsystem to help
> > you do probing for the pKVM driver? Today SMMU starts all devices in
> > ABORT mode except for some it scans manually from the fw tables.
> >
> > They switch to identity when the iommu subsystem attaches devices, you
> > can continue to do that by having the paravirt driver tell pkvm when
> > it attaches.
> >
> > What is wrong with this approach?
> >
>
> My confusion is that in this proposal we have 2 drivers:
> - arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Register arm_smmu_ops? binds to the SMMUs
No, I don't mean two iommu subsystem drivers. You have only the
pkvm-iommu driver. Whatever you bind to the arm-smmu does not register
with the iommu subsystem.
> I am almost done with v4, which relies on a single driver, I don’t think
> it’s that complicated, it adds a few impl_ops + some few re-works.
>
> I think that is much simpler than having 3 drivers.
> Also better for the current SMMUv3 driver maintainability to have the KVM driver
> as mode, where all the KVM logic is implemented in a new file which relies on few
> ops, similar to “tegra241-cmdqv.c”
I don't understand how you can do this, it is fundamentally not an
iommu subsystem driver if pkvm is in control of the HW.
And I still strongly do not want to see a para virt iommu driver hidden
inside the smmu driver. It should be its own thing.
The tegra ops were for customizing the iommu subsystem behavior of the
arm iommu driver, not to turn it into a wrapper for a different
paravirt driver!!
Jason
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-08-12 12:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-07-28 17:52 [PATCH v3 00/29] KVM: arm64: SMMUv3 driver for pKVM Mostafa Saleh
2025-07-28 17:52 ` [PATCH v3 01/29] KVM: arm64: Add a new function to donate memory with prot Mostafa Saleh
2025-07-28 17:52 ` [PATCH v3 02/29] KVM: arm64: Donate MMIO to the hypervisor Mostafa Saleh
2025-07-28 17:52 ` [PATCH v3 03/29] KVM: arm64: pkvm: Add pkvm_time_get() Mostafa Saleh
2025-07-28 17:52 ` [PATCH v3 04/29] iommu/io-pgtable-arm: Split the page table driver Mostafa Saleh
2025-07-28 17:52 ` [PATCH v3 05/29] iommu/io-pgtable-arm: Split initialization Mostafa Saleh
2025-07-28 17:52 ` [PATCH v3 06/29] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Move some definitions to a new common file Mostafa Saleh
2025-07-28 17:52 ` [PATCH v3 07/29] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Extract driver-specific bits from probe function Mostafa Saleh
2025-07-28 17:52 ` [PATCH v3 08/29] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Move some functions to arm-smmu-v3-common.c Mostafa Saleh
2025-07-28 17:52 ` [PATCH v3 09/29] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Move queue and table allocation " Mostafa Saleh
2025-07-28 17:52 ` [PATCH v3 10/29] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Move firmware probe to arm-smmu-v3-common Mostafa Saleh
2025-07-28 17:52 ` [PATCH v3 11/29] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Move IOMMU registration to arm-smmu-v3-common.c Mostafa Saleh
2025-07-28 17:52 ` [PATCH v3 12/29] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Split cmdq code with hyp Mostafa Saleh
2025-07-28 17:53 ` [PATCH v3 13/29] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Move TLB range invalidation into a macro Mostafa Saleh
2025-07-28 17:53 ` [PATCH v3 14/29] KVM: arm64: iommu: Introduce IOMMU driver infrastructure Mostafa Saleh
2025-07-28 17:53 ` [PATCH v3 15/29] KVM: arm64: iommu: Shadow host stage-2 page table Mostafa Saleh
2025-07-28 17:53 ` [PATCH v3 16/29] KVM: arm64: iommu: Add a memory pool Mostafa Saleh
2025-07-28 17:53 ` [PATCH v3 17/29] KVM: arm64: iommu: Add enable/disable hypercalls Mostafa Saleh
2025-07-28 17:53 ` [PATCH v3 18/29] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Add SMMUv3 driver Mostafa Saleh
2025-07-28 17:53 ` [PATCH v3 19/29] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Initialize registers Mostafa Saleh
2025-07-28 17:53 ` [PATCH v3 20/29] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Setup command queue Mostafa Saleh
2025-07-29 6:44 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-07-29 9:55 ` Mostafa Saleh
2025-07-28 17:53 ` [PATCH v3 21/29] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Setup stream table Mostafa Saleh
2025-07-28 17:53 ` [PATCH v3 22/29] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Reset the device Mostafa Saleh
2025-07-28 17:53 ` [PATCH v3 23/29] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Support io-pgtable Mostafa Saleh
2025-07-28 17:53 ` [PATCH v3 24/29] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Shadow the CPU stage-2 page table Mostafa Saleh
2025-07-28 17:53 ` [PATCH v3 25/29] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Add enable/disable device HVCs Mostafa Saleh
2025-07-28 17:53 ` [PATCH v3 26/29] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Add host driver for pKVM Mostafa Saleh
2025-07-28 17:53 ` [PATCH v3 27/29] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Pass a list of SMMU devices to the hypervisor Mostafa Saleh
2025-07-28 17:53 ` [PATCH v3 28/29] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Allocate structures and reset device Mostafa Saleh
2025-07-28 17:53 ` [PATCH v3 29/29] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Add IOMMU ops Mostafa Saleh
2025-07-30 14:42 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-30 15:07 ` Mostafa Saleh
2025-07-30 16:47 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-31 14:17 ` Mostafa Saleh
2025-07-31 16:57 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-31 17:44 ` Mostafa Saleh
2025-08-01 18:59 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-04 14:41 ` Mostafa Saleh
2025-08-05 17:57 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-06 14:10 ` Mostafa Saleh
2025-08-11 18:55 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-12 10:29 ` Mostafa Saleh
2025-08-12 12:10 ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2025-08-12 12:37 ` Mostafa Saleh
2025-08-12 13:48 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-13 13:52 ` Mostafa Saleh
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