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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
Cc: "Edgecombe, Rick P" <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
	"mingo@kernel.org" <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"dave.hansen@linux.intel.com" <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"bp@alien8.de" <bp@alien8.de>,
	"peterz@infradead.org" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"hpa@zytor.com" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"axboe@kernel.dk" <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	"tglx@linutronix.de" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Mehta, Sohil" <sohil.mehta@intel.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
	"debug@rivosinc.com" <debug@rivosinc.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/6] x86/shstk: don't create the shadow stack for PF_USER_WORKERs
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2025 17:43:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250815154311.GG11549@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f1a8da89-7522-429e-a4ba-4794222f1541@sirena.org.uk>

On 08/15, Mark Brown wrote:
>
> On Fri, Aug 15, 2025 at 03:08:52PM +0200, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > On 08/15, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > > On 08/14, Mark Brown wrote:
>
> > > > I agree that it's better to leave userspace shadow stacks enabled, given
> > > > that the reason we're not allocating the shadow stack is that we don't
> > > > expect to ever return to userspace then it should be fine to leave the
> > > > feature turned on for userspace.  If we mess up and do somehow return to
> > > > userspace
>
> > > But a PF_USER_WORKER task can never return to userspace. It doesn't differ
> > > from PF_KTHREAD in this respect.
>
> > ... of course unless it does exec.
>
> Sure, but OTOH at least for arm64 there's no cost to leaving the feature
> enabled unless you actually execute userspace code so if we never return
> to userspace writing the code to disable isn't really buying us anything.

The fact that a kernel thread can have the pointless ARCH_SHSTK_SHSTK is
the only reason I know why x86_task_fpu(PF_USER_WORKER) has to work.

I'd like to make this logic consistent with PF_KTHREAD, and in the longer
term change the x86 FPU code so that the kernel threads can run without
without "struct fpu" attached to task_struct.

Again, please see
https://lore.kernel.org/all/20250813191441.GA26754@redhat.com/

Oleg.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-15 15:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-14 10:13 [PATCH 0/6] x86/fpu: don't abuse x86_task_fpu(PF_USER_WORKER) in .regset_get() paths Oleg Nesterov
2025-08-14 10:14 ` [PATCH 1/6] x86/fpu: change copy_xstate_to_uabi_buf() to accept fpstate + pkru instead of task_struct Oleg Nesterov
2025-08-14 16:46   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-15 12:22     ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-08-14 10:14 ` [PATCH 2/6] x86/fpu: regset: introduce get_fpstate() helper Oleg Nesterov
2025-08-14 10:14 ` [PATCH 3/6] x86/fpu: fold sync_fpstate() into get_fpstate() Oleg Nesterov
2025-08-14 10:14 ` [PATCH 4/6] x86/shstk: add "task_struct *tsk" argument to reset_thread_features() Oleg Nesterov
2025-08-14 10:14 ` [PATCH 5/6] x86/shstk: don't create the shadow stack for PF_USER_WORKERs Oleg Nesterov
2025-08-14 17:03   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-14 18:33     ` Mark Brown
2025-08-14 22:43       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-15 11:44         ` Mark Brown
2025-08-15 19:11           ` Deepak Gupta
2025-08-18 17:27             ` Mark Brown
2025-08-19 17:41               ` Deepak Gupta
2025-08-15 13:01       ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-08-15 13:08         ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-08-15 15:28           ` Mark Brown
2025-08-15 15:43             ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2025-08-15 15:48               ` Mark Brown
2025-08-15 16:00                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-08-15 17:08                   ` Mark Brown
2025-08-15 12:17     ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-08-15 16:19       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-15 16:54         ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-08-15 17:46           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-15 19:13             ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-08-14 10:14 ` [PATCH 6/6] x86/fpu: change get_fpstate() to return &init_fpstate if PF_USER_WORKER Oleg Nesterov
2025-08-15 15:52 ` [PATCH 0/6] x86/fpu: don't abuse x86_task_fpu(PF_USER_WORKER) in .regset_get() paths Oleg Nesterov
2025-08-15 15:59   ` Dave Hansen
2025-08-15 16:02     ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-08-15 16:32       ` Sohil Mehta
2025-08-15 19:33         ` Oleg Nesterov

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