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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
Cc: "Edgecombe, Rick P" <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
	"mingo@kernel.org" <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"dave.hansen@linux.intel.com" <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"bp@alien8.de" <bp@alien8.de>,
	"peterz@infradead.org" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"hpa@zytor.com" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"axboe@kernel.dk" <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	"tglx@linutronix.de" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Mehta, Sohil" <sohil.mehta@intel.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
	"debug@rivosinc.com" <debug@rivosinc.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/6] x86/shstk: don't create the shadow stack for PF_USER_WORKERs
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2025 18:00:23 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250815160023.GH11549@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <dfdf2af0-7154-415e-96f4-3e4fefbe96dc@sirena.org.uk>

On 08/15, Mark Brown wrote:
>
> On Fri, Aug 15, 2025 at 05:43:11PM +0200, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > On 08/15, Mark Brown wrote:
>
> > > Sure, but OTOH at least for arm64 there's no cost to leaving the feature
> > > enabled unless you actually execute userspace code so if we never return
> > > to userspace writing the code to disable isn't really buying us anything.
>
> > The fact that a kernel thread can have the pointless ARCH_SHSTK_SHSTK is
> > the only reason I know why x86_task_fpu(PF_USER_WORKER) has to work.
>
> > I'd like to make this logic consistent with PF_KTHREAD, and in the longer
> > term change the x86 FPU code so that the kernel threads can run without
> > without "struct fpu" attached to task_struct.
>
> OK, that's entirely x86 specific - there's no reason we'd want to do
> that for arm64.

Since I know nothing about arm64. Any reason we do want to have the unnecessary
ARCH_SHSTK_SHSTK/shstk on arm64?

And... do you agree that shstk_alloc_thread_stack() without update_fpu_shstk()
in copy_thread() path doesn't look right? Even if nothing really bad can happen.

Oleg.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-15 16:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-14 10:13 [PATCH 0/6] x86/fpu: don't abuse x86_task_fpu(PF_USER_WORKER) in .regset_get() paths Oleg Nesterov
2025-08-14 10:14 ` [PATCH 1/6] x86/fpu: change copy_xstate_to_uabi_buf() to accept fpstate + pkru instead of task_struct Oleg Nesterov
2025-08-14 16:46   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-15 12:22     ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-08-14 10:14 ` [PATCH 2/6] x86/fpu: regset: introduce get_fpstate() helper Oleg Nesterov
2025-08-14 10:14 ` [PATCH 3/6] x86/fpu: fold sync_fpstate() into get_fpstate() Oleg Nesterov
2025-08-14 10:14 ` [PATCH 4/6] x86/shstk: add "task_struct *tsk" argument to reset_thread_features() Oleg Nesterov
2025-08-14 10:14 ` [PATCH 5/6] x86/shstk: don't create the shadow stack for PF_USER_WORKERs Oleg Nesterov
2025-08-14 17:03   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-14 18:33     ` Mark Brown
2025-08-14 22:43       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-15 11:44         ` Mark Brown
2025-08-15 19:11           ` Deepak Gupta
2025-08-18 17:27             ` Mark Brown
2025-08-19 17:41               ` Deepak Gupta
2025-08-15 13:01       ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-08-15 13:08         ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-08-15 15:28           ` Mark Brown
2025-08-15 15:43             ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-08-15 15:48               ` Mark Brown
2025-08-15 16:00                 ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2025-08-15 17:08                   ` Mark Brown
2025-08-15 12:17     ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-08-15 16:19       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-15 16:54         ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-08-15 17:46           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-15 19:13             ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-08-14 10:14 ` [PATCH 6/6] x86/fpu: change get_fpstate() to return &init_fpstate if PF_USER_WORKER Oleg Nesterov
2025-08-15 15:52 ` [PATCH 0/6] x86/fpu: don't abuse x86_task_fpu(PF_USER_WORKER) in .regset_get() paths Oleg Nesterov
2025-08-15 15:59   ` Dave Hansen
2025-08-15 16:02     ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-08-15 16:32       ` Sohil Mehta
2025-08-15 19:33         ` Oleg Nesterov

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