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From: "bigeasy@linutronix.de" <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: Prakash Sangappa <prakash.sangappa@oracle.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"peterz@infradead.org" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"rostedt@goodmis.org" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com" <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	"kprateek.nayak@amd.com" <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	"vineethr@linux.ibm.com" <vineethr@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V7 02/11] sched: Indicate if thread got rescheduled
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2025 15:16:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250818131655.1FybFuR4@linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87jz376tzj.ffs@tglx>

On 2025-08-13 18:56:16 [+0200], Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 13 2025 at 18:19, bigeasy@linutronix.de wrote:
> > I spent some time on the review. I tried to test it but for some reason
> > userland always segfaults. This is not subject to your changes because
> > param_test (from tools/testing/selftests/rseq) also segfaults. Also on a
> > Debian v6.12. So this must be something else and maybe glibc related.
> 
> Hrm. I did not run the rseq tests. I only used the test I wrote, but
> that works and the underlying glibc uses rseq too, but I might have
> screwed up there. As I said it's POC. I'm about to send out the polished
> version, which survive the selftests nicely :)

It was not your code. Everything exploded here. Am right to assume that
you had a recent/ current Debian Trixie environment testing? My guess is
that glibc or gcc got out of sync. 

> > gcc has __atomic_fetch_and() and __atomic_fetch_or() provided as
> > built-ins.
> > There is atomic_fetch_and_explicit() and atomic_fetch_or_explicit()
> > provided by <stdatomic.h>. Mostly the same magic.
> >
> > If you use this like
> > |  static inline int test_and_clear_bit(unsigned long *ptr, unsigned int bit)
> > |  {
> > |          return __atomic_fetch_and(ptr, ~(1 << bit), __ATOMIC_RELAXED) & (1 << bit);
> > |  }
> >
> > the gcc will emit btr. Sadly the lock prefix will be there, too. On the
> > plus side you would have logic for every architecture.
> 
> I know, but the whole point is to avoid the LOCK prefix because it's not
> necessary in this context and slows things down. The only requirement is
> CPU local atomicity vs. an interrupt/exception/NMI or whatever the CPU
> uses to mess things up. You need LOCK if you have cross CPU concurrency,
> which is not the case here. The LOCK is very measurable when you use
> this pattern with a high frequency and that's what the people who long
> for this do :)

Sure. You can keep it on x86 and use the generic one in the else case
rather than abort with an error.
Looking at arch___test_and_clear_bit() in the kernel, there is x86 with
its custom implementation. s390 points to generic___test_and_clear_bit()
which is a surprise. alpha's and sh's isn't atomic so this does not look
right. hexagon and m68k might okay and a candidate.

> Thanks,
> 
>         tglx

Sebastian

  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-18 13:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-24 16:16 [PATCH V7 00/11] Scheduler time slice extension Prakash Sangappa
2025-07-24 16:16 ` [PATCH V7 01/11] sched: " Prakash Sangappa
2025-08-06 20:34   ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-07 14:07     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-07 16:45       ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-08-07 15:49     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-08-07 16:56       ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-08-08  9:59         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-08-08 17:00           ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-08-11  6:28             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-08-07 16:13     ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-07-24 16:16 ` [PATCH V7 02/11] sched: Indicate if thread got rescheduled Prakash Sangappa
2025-08-07 13:06   ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-07 16:15     ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-08-11  9:45       ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-13 16:19         ` bigeasy
2025-08-13 16:56           ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-18 13:16             ` bigeasy [this message]
2025-08-19  8:12               ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-14  7:18         ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-08-14 18:20           ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-07-24 16:16 ` [PATCH V7 03/11] sched: Tunable to specify duration of time slice extension Prakash Sangappa
2025-07-24 16:16 ` [PATCH V7 04/11] sched: Add scheduler stat for cpu " Prakash Sangappa
2025-07-24 16:16 ` [PATCH V7 05/11] sched: Add tracepoint for sched " Prakash Sangappa
2025-07-24 16:16 ` [PATCH V7 06/11] Add API to query supported rseq cs flags Prakash Sangappa
2025-07-24 16:16 ` [PATCH V7 07/11] sched: Add API to indicate not to delay scheduling Prakash Sangappa
2025-07-25 14:30   ` kernel test robot
2025-07-24 16:16 ` [PATCH V7 08/11] sched: Add TIF_NEED_RESCHED_NODELAY infrastructure Prakash Sangappa
2025-07-24 16:16 ` [PATCH V7 09/11] sched: Add nodelay scheduling Prakash Sangappa
2025-08-08 13:26   ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-08 16:54     ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-07-24 16:16 ` [PATCH V7 10/11] sched, x86: Enable " Prakash Sangappa
2025-07-24 16:16 ` [PATCH V7 11/11] sched: Add kernel parameter to enable delaying RT threads Prakash Sangappa
2025-07-25 15:52   ` kernel test robot
2025-08-06 16:03 ` [PATCH V7 00/11] Scheduler time slice extension Prakash Sangappa
2025-08-06 16:24   ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-06 16:30 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-07  6:52   ` Prakash Sangappa

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