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From: Aaron Lu <ziqianlu@bytedance.com>
To: K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>
Cc: "Valentin Schneider" <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	"Ben Segall" <bsegall@google.com>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Chengming Zhou" <chengming.zhou@linux.dev>,
	"Josh Don" <joshdon@google.com>, "Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Vincent Guittot" <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	"Xi Wang" <xii@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Juri Lelli" <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	"Dietmar Eggemann" <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	"Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"Mel Gorman" <mgorman@suse.de>,
	"Chuyi Zhou" <zhouchuyi@bytedance.com>,
	"Jan Kiszka" <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	"Florian Bezdeka" <florian.bezdeka@siemens.com>,
	"Songtang Liu" <liusongtang@bytedance.com>,
	"Chen Yu" <yu.c.chen@intel.com>,
	"Matteo Martelli" <matteo.martelli@codethink.co.uk>,
	"Michal Koutný" <mkoutny@suse.com>,
	"Sebastian Andrzej Siewior" <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched/fair: Prevent cfs_rq from being unthrottled with zero runtime_remaining
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2025 20:39:40 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250930123940.GA643@bytedance> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250930110717.GC510@bytedance>

On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 07:07:17PM +0800, Aaron Lu wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 02:28:16PM +0530, K Prateek Nayak wrote:
> > Hello Aaron,
> > 
> > On 9/30/2025 1:26 PM, Aaron Lu wrote:
> > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2025 at 03:04:03PM +0530, K Prateek Nayak wrote:
> > > ... ...
> > >> Can we instead do a check_enqueue_throttle() in enqueue_throttled_task()
> > >> if we find cfs_rq->throttled_limbo_list to be empty?
> > >>
> > >> diff --git a/kernel/sched/fair.c b/kernel/sched/fair.c
> > >> index 18a30ae35441..fd2d4dad9c27 100644
> > >> --- a/kernel/sched/fair.c
> > >> +++ b/kernel/sched/fair.c
> > >> @@ -5872,6 +5872,8 @@ static bool enqueue_throttled_task(struct task_struct *p)
> > >>  	 */
> > >>  	if (throttled_hierarchy(cfs_rq) &&
> > >>  	    !task_current_donor(rq_of(cfs_rq), p)) {
> > >                 /*
> > >                  * Make sure to throttle this cfs_rq or it can be unthrottled
> > >                  * with no runtime_remaining and gets throttled again on its
> > >                  * unthrottle path.
> > >                  */
> > >> +		if (list_empty(&cfs_rq->throttled_limbo_list))
> > >> +			check_enqueue_throttle(cfs_rq);
> > > 
> > > BTW, do you think a comment is needed? Something like the above, not
> > > sure if it's too redundant though, feel free to let me know your
> > > thoughts, thanks.
> > 
> > Now that I'm looking at it again, I think we should actually do a:
> > 
> >     for_each_entity(se)
> >         check_enqueue_throttle(cfs_rq_of(se));
> > 
> > The reason being, we can have:
> > 
> >     root -> A (throttled) -> B -> C
> > 
> > Consider B has runtime_remaining = 0, and subsequently a throttled task
> > is queued onto C. Ideally, we should start the B/W timer for B at that
> > point but we bail out after queuing it on C. Thoughts?
> 
> Yes agree the B/W timer should also be considered.

On another thought, do we really need care about B/W timer for B?

I mean, when C is unthrottled and gets enqueued on B,
check_enqueue_throttle() will do the right thing for B so I don't
think we need to do this hierarchy check_enqueue_throttle() here.

I think the only difference with your suggestion and my patch is, with
your suggestion, it's possible for a runtime_enabled cfs_rq to reach
tg_unthrottle_up() with runtime_remaining equals to 0 but since it
doesn't have any tasks in its limbo list, it will not do any enqueue so
won't possibly trigger throttle there, so it's still fine. i.e. I think
your original suggestion works.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-30 12:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-29  7:46 [PATCH] sched/fair: Prevent cfs_rq from being unthrottled with zero runtime_remaining Aaron Lu
2025-09-29  9:34 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-29 10:55   ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-30  7:56   ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-30  8:58     ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-30  9:27       ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-30 11:07       ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-30 12:39         ` Aaron Lu [this message]
2025-09-30 13:38         ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-01 11:58           ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-14  7:43 ` Hao Jia
2025-10-14  9:11   ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-14 11:01     ` Hao Jia
2025-10-14 11:50       ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-15  1:43         ` Hao Jia
2025-10-15  1:48           ` Hao Jia
2025-10-15  2:51           ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-15  6:31             ` Hao Jia
2025-10-15  8:40               ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-15 10:21                 ` Hao Jia
2025-10-16  6:54                   ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-16  7:49                     ` Hao Jia
2025-10-16  9:23                       ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-16 11:04                         ` Hao Jia
2025-10-16 11:46                           ` Aaron Lu

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