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From: Aaron Lu <ziqianlu@bytedance.com>
To: Hao Jia <jiahao.kernel@gmail.com>
Cc: "Valentin Schneider" <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	"Ben Segall" <bsegall@google.com>,
	"K Prateek Nayak" <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Chengming Zhou" <chengming.zhou@linux.dev>,
	"Josh Don" <joshdon@google.com>, "Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Vincent Guittot" <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	"Xi Wang" <xii@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Juri Lelli" <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	"Dietmar Eggemann" <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	"Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"Mel Gorman" <mgorman@suse.de>,
	"Chuyi Zhou" <zhouchuyi@bytedance.com>,
	"Jan Kiszka" <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	"Florian Bezdeka" <florian.bezdeka@siemens.com>,
	"Songtang Liu" <liusongtang@bytedance.com>,
	"Chen Yu" <yu.c.chen@intel.com>,
	"Matteo Martelli" <matteo.martelli@codethink.co.uk>,
	"Michal Koutný" <mkoutny@suse.com>,
	"Sebastian Andrzej Siewior" <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched/fair: Prevent cfs_rq from being unthrottled with zero runtime_remaining
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2025 17:11:13 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251014090728.GA41@bytedance> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c4a1bcea-fb00-6f3f-6bf6-d876393190e4@gmail.com>

Hi Hao,

On Tue, Oct 14, 2025 at 03:43:10PM +0800, Hao Jia wrote:
> 
> Hello Aaron,
> 
> On 2025/9/29 15:46, Aaron Lu wrote:
> > When a cfs_rq is to be throttled, its limbo list should be empty and
> > that's why there is a warn in tg_throttle_down() for non empty
> > cfs_rq->throttled_limbo_list.
> > 
> > When running a test with the following hierarchy:
> > 
> >            root
> >          /      \
> >          A*     ...
> >       /  |  \   ...
> >          B
> >         /  \
> >        C*
> > 
> > where both A and C have quota settings, that warn on non empty limbo list
> > is triggered for a cfs_rq of C, let's call it cfs_rq_c(and ignore the cpu
> > part of the cfs_rq for the sake of simpler representation).
> > 
> 
> I encountered a similar warning a while ago and fixed it. I have a question
> I'd like to ask. tg_unthrottle_up(cfs_rq_C) calls enqueue_task_fair(p) to
> enqueue a task, which requires that the runtime_remaining of task p's entire
> task_group hierarchy be greater than 0.
> 
> In addition to the case you fixed above,
> When bandwidth is running normally, Is it possible that there's a corner
> case where cfs_A->runtime_remaining > 0, but cfs_B->runtime_remaining < 0
> could trigger a similar warning?

Do you mean B also has quota set and cfs_B's runtime_remaining < 0?
In this case, B should be throttled and C is a descendent of B so should
also be throttled, i.e. C can't be unthrottled when B is in throttled
state. Do I understand you correctly?

> 
> So, I previously tried to fix this issue using the following code, adding
> the ENQUEUE_THROTTLE flag to ensure that tasks enqueued in
> tg_unthrottle_up() aren't throttled.
> 

Yeah I think this can also fix the warning.
I'm not sure if it is a good idea though, because on unthrottle, the
expectation is, this cfs_rq should have runtime_remaining > 0 and if
it's not the case, I think it is better to know why.

Thanks.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-14  9:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-29  7:46 [PATCH] sched/fair: Prevent cfs_rq from being unthrottled with zero runtime_remaining Aaron Lu
2025-09-29  9:34 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-29 10:55   ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-30  7:56   ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-30  8:58     ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-30  9:27       ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-30 11:07       ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-30 12:39         ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-30 13:38         ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-01 11:58           ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-14  7:43 ` Hao Jia
2025-10-14  9:11   ` Aaron Lu [this message]
2025-10-14 11:01     ` Hao Jia
2025-10-14 11:50       ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-15  1:43         ` Hao Jia
2025-10-15  1:48           ` Hao Jia
2025-10-15  2:51           ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-15  6:31             ` Hao Jia
2025-10-15  8:40               ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-15 10:21                 ` Hao Jia
2025-10-16  6:54                   ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-16  7:49                     ` Hao Jia
2025-10-16  9:23                       ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-16 11:04                         ` Hao Jia
2025-10-16 11:46                           ` Aaron Lu

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