From: Aaron Lu <ziqianlu@bytedance.com>
To: Hao Jia <jiahao.kernel@gmail.com>
Cc: "Valentin Schneider" <vschneid@redhat.com>,
"Ben Segall" <bsegall@google.com>,
"K Prateek Nayak" <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
"Chengming Zhou" <chengming.zhou@linux.dev>,
"Josh Don" <joshdon@google.com>, "Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
"Vincent Guittot" <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
"Xi Wang" <xii@google.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
"Juri Lelli" <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
"Dietmar Eggemann" <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
"Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
"Mel Gorman" <mgorman@suse.de>,
"Chuyi Zhou" <zhouchuyi@bytedance.com>,
"Jan Kiszka" <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
"Florian Bezdeka" <florian.bezdeka@siemens.com>,
"Songtang Liu" <liusongtang@bytedance.com>,
"Chen Yu" <yu.c.chen@intel.com>,
"Matteo Martelli" <matteo.martelli@codethink.co.uk>,
"Michal Koutný" <mkoutny@suse.com>,
"Sebastian Andrzej Siewior" <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched/fair: Prevent cfs_rq from being unthrottled with zero runtime_remaining
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2025 16:40:45 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251015084045.GB35@bytedance> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4902f7d4-c6ee-bc29-dd7f-282d19d0b3b2@gmail.com>
On Wed, Oct 15, 2025 at 02:31:27PM +0800, Hao Jia wrote:
> On 2025/10/15 10:51, Aaron Lu wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 15, 2025 at 09:43:20AM +0800, Hao Jia wrote:
> > ... ...
> > > Yes, I've already hit the cfs_rq->runtime_remaining < 0 condition in
> > > tg_unthrottle_up().
> > >
> > > This morning, after applying your patch, I still get the same issue.
> > > However, As before, because cfs_rq->curr isn't NULL,
> > > check_enqueue_throttle() returns prematurely, preventing the triggering of
> > > throttle_cfs_rq().
> > >
> > >
> > > Some information to share with you.
> >
> > Can you also share your cgroup setup and related quota setting etc. and
> > how to trigger it? Thanks.
>
> I ran some internal workloads on my test machine with different quota
> settings, and added 10 sched messaging branchmark cgroups, setting their
> cpu.max to 1000 100000.
>
> perf bench sched messaging -g 10 -t -l 50000 &
>
> I'm not sure if the issue can be reproduced without these internal
> workloads.
Thanks for the report, I think I understand your concern now.
I managed to trigger a condition in tg_unthrottle_up() for a cfs_rq that
has runtime_enabled but with a negative runtime_remaining, the setup is
as before:
root
/ \
A* ...
/ | \ ...
B
/ \
C*
where both A and C have quota settings.
1 Initially, both cfs_rq_a and cfs_rq_c are in unthrottled state with a
positive runtime_remaining.
2 At some time, cfs_rq_a is throttled. cfs_rq_c is now in a throttled
hierarchy, but it's not throttled and has a positive runtime_remaining.
3 Some time later, task @p gets enqueued to cfs_rq_c and starts execution
in kernel mode, consumed all cfs_rq_c's runtime_remaining.
account_cfs_rq_runtime() properly accounted, but resched_curr() doesn't
cause schedule() -> check_cfs_rq_runtime() -> throttle_cfs_rq() to
happen immediately, because task @p is still executing in kernel mode
(CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY).
4 Some time later, cfs_rq_a is unthrottled.
tg_unthrottle_up() noticed cfs_rq_c has a negative runtime_remaining.
In this situation, check_enqueue_throttle() will not do anything though
because cfs_rq_c->curr is set, throttle will not happen immediately so
it won't cause throttle to happen on unthrottle path.
Hao Jia,
Do I understand you correctly that you can only hit the newly added
debug warn in tg_unthrottle_up():
WARN_ON_ONCE(cfs_rq->runtime_enabled && cfs_rq->runtime_remaining <= 0);
but not throttle triggered on unthrottle path?
BTW, I think your change has the advantage of being straightforward and
easy to reason about. My concern is, it's not efficient to enqueue tasks
to a cfs_rq that has no runtime left, not sure how big a deal that is
though.
Thanks.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-10-15 8:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-09-29 7:46 [PATCH] sched/fair: Prevent cfs_rq from being unthrottled with zero runtime_remaining Aaron Lu
2025-09-29 9:34 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-29 10:55 ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-30 7:56 ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-30 8:58 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-30 9:27 ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-30 11:07 ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-30 12:39 ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-30 13:38 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-01 11:58 ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-14 7:43 ` Hao Jia
2025-10-14 9:11 ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-14 11:01 ` Hao Jia
2025-10-14 11:50 ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-15 1:43 ` Hao Jia
2025-10-15 1:48 ` Hao Jia
2025-10-15 2:51 ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-15 6:31 ` Hao Jia
2025-10-15 8:40 ` Aaron Lu [this message]
2025-10-15 10:21 ` Hao Jia
2025-10-16 6:54 ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-16 7:49 ` Hao Jia
2025-10-16 9:23 ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-16 11:04 ` Hao Jia
2025-10-16 11:46 ` Aaron Lu
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