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From: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>
To: Nicolas Pitre <npitre@baylibre.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, u.kleine-koenig@baylibre.com,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Biju Das <biju.das.jz@bp.renesas.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Li RongQing <lirongqing@baidu.com>, Yu Kuai <yukuai3@huawei.com>,
	Khazhismel Kumykov <khazhy@chromium.org>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	x86@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 next 3/9] lib: mul_u64_u64_div_u64() simplify check for a 64bit product
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2025 09:19:18 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251031091918.643b0868@pumpkin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <26p1nq66-8pq5-3655-r7n5-102o989391s2@onlyvoer.pbz>

On Wed, 29 Oct 2025 14:11:08 -0400 (EDT)
Nicolas Pitre <npitre@baylibre.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Oct 2025, David Laight wrote:
> 
> > If the product is only 64bits div64_u64() can be used for the divide.
> > Replace the pre-multiply check (ilog2(a) + ilog2(b) <= 62) with a
> > simple post-multiply check that the high 64bits are zero.
> > 
> > This has the advantage of being simpler, more accurate and less code.
> > It will always be faster when the product is larger than 64bits.
> > 
> > Most 64bit cpu have a native 64x64=128 bit multiply, this is needed
> > (for the low 64bits) even when div64_u64() is called - so the early
> > check gains nothing and is just extra code.
> > 
> > 32bit cpu will need a compare (etc) to generate the 64bit ilog2()
> > from two 32bit bit scans - so that is non-trivial.
> > (Never mind the mess of x86's 'bsr' and any oddball cpu without
> > fast bit-scan instructions.)
> > Whereas the additional instructions for the 128bit multiply result
> > are pretty much one multiply and two adds (typically the 'adc $0,%reg'
> > can be run in parallel with the instruction that follows).
> > 
> > The only outliers are 64bit systems without 128bit mutiply and
> > simple in order 32bit ones with fast bit scan but needing extra
> > instructions to get the high bits of the multiply result.
> > I doubt it makes much difference to either, the latter is definitely
> > not mainstream.
> > 
> > If anyone is worried about the analysis they can look at the
> > generated code for x86 (especially when cmov isn't used).
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>  
> 
> Comment below.
> 
> 
> > ---
> > 
> > Split from patch 3 for v2, unchanged since.
> > 
> >  lib/math/div64.c | 6 +++---
> >  1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
> > 
> > diff --git a/lib/math/div64.c b/lib/math/div64.c
> > index 1092f41e878e..7158d141b6e9 100644
> > --- a/lib/math/div64.c
> > +++ b/lib/math/div64.c
> > @@ -186,9 +186,6 @@ EXPORT_SYMBOL(iter_div_u64_rem);
> >  #ifndef mul_u64_u64_div_u64
> >  u64 mul_u64_u64_div_u64(u64 a, u64 b, u64 d)
> >  {
> > -	if (ilog2(a) + ilog2(b) <= 62)
> > -		return div64_u64(a * b, d);
> > -
> >  #if defined(__SIZEOF_INT128__)
> >  
> >  	/* native 64x64=128 bits multiplication */
> > @@ -224,6 +221,9 @@ u64 mul_u64_u64_div_u64(u64 a, u64 b, u64 d)
> >  		return ~0ULL;
> >  	}
> >  
> > +	if (!n_hi)
> > +		return div64_u64(n_lo, d);  
> 
> I'd move this before the overflow test. If this is to be taken then 
> you'll save one test. same cost otherwise.
> 

I wanted the 'divide by zero' result to be consistent.

Additionally the change to stop the x86-64 version panicking on
overflow also makes it return ~0 for divide by zero.
If that is done then this version needs to be consistent and
return ~0 for divide by zero - which div64_u64() won't do.

It is worth remembering that the chance of (a * b + c)/d being ~0
is pretty small (for non-test inputs), and any code that might expect
such a value is likely to have to handle overflow as well.
(Not to mention avoiding overflow of 'a' and 'b'.)
So using ~0 for overflow isn't really a problem.

	David


 

  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-31  9:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-29 17:38 [PATCH v4 next 0/9] Implement mul_u64_u64_div_u64_roundup() David Laight
2025-10-29 17:38 ` [PATCH v4 next 1/9] lib: mul_u64_u64_div_u64() rename parameter 'c' to 'd' David Laight
2025-10-29 17:38 ` [PATCH v4 next 2/9] lib: mul_u64_u64_div_u64() Combine overflow and divide by zero checks David Laight
2025-10-29 18:02   ` Nicolas Pitre
2025-10-29 17:38 ` [PATCH v4 next 3/9] lib: mul_u64_u64_div_u64() simplify check for a 64bit product David Laight
2025-10-29 18:11   ` Nicolas Pitre
2025-10-31  9:19     ` David Laight [this message]
2025-10-31 17:26       ` Nicolas Pitre
2025-10-31 18:04         ` David Laight
2025-10-31 18:45           ` Nicolas Pitre
2025-10-31 20:12             ` David Laight
2025-10-29 17:38 ` [PATCH v4 next 4/9] lib: Add mul_u64_add_u64_div_u64() and mul_u64_u64_div_u64_roundup() David Laight
2025-10-29 18:17   ` Nicolas Pitre
2025-10-31 20:59   ` David Laight
2025-11-01  2:12     ` Andrew Morton
2025-10-29 17:38 ` [PATCH v4 next 5/9] lib: Add tests for mul_u64_u64_div_u64_roundup() David Laight
2025-10-29 18:26   ` Nicolas Pitre
2025-10-29 17:38 ` [PATCH v4 next 6/9] lib: test_mul_u64_u64_div_u64: Test both generic and arch versions David Laight
2025-10-29 18:53   ` Nicolas Pitre
2025-11-01 19:35   ` kernel test robot
2025-11-01 20:59   ` kernel test robot
2025-11-02 10:36     ` David Laight
2025-10-29 17:38 ` [PATCH v4 next 7/9] lib: mul_u64_u64_div_u64() optimise multiply on 32bit x86 David Laight
2025-10-29 19:01   ` Nicolas Pitre
2025-10-29 17:38 ` [PATCH v4 next 8/9] lib: mul_u64_u64_div_u64() Optimise the divide code David Laight
2025-10-29 20:47   ` Nicolas Pitre
2025-10-29 17:38 ` [PATCH v4 next 9/9] lib: test_mul_u64_u64_div_u64: Test the 32bit code on 64bit David Laight
2025-10-29 20:48   ` Nicolas Pitre
2025-10-31  4:29 ` [PATCH v4 next 0/9] Implement mul_u64_u64_div_u64_roundup() Andrew Morton
2025-11-04 17:16   ` Nicolas Pitre
2025-10-31 13:52 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-31 16:17   ` David Laight

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