From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Andrea Righi <arighi@nvidia.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
John Stultz <jstultz@google.com>,
Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, David Vernet <void@manifault.com>,
Changwoo Min <changwoo@igalia.com>, Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
Joel Fernandes <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>,
Christian Loehle <christian.loehle@arm.com>,
Emil Tsalapatis <emil@etsalapatis.com>,
Luigi De Matteis <ldematteis123@gmail.com>,
sched-ext@lists.linux.dev, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCHSET v10 sched_ext/for-6.19] Add a deadline server for sched_ext tasks
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2025 14:59:11 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251105135911.GQ4067720@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aQtVe9LKuQ_W3qwY@gpd4>
On Wed, Nov 05, 2025 at 02:47:39PM +0100, Andrea Righi wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 08:08:37PM +0100, Andrea Righi wrote:
> > sched_ext tasks can be starved by long-running RT tasks, especially since
> > RT throttling was replaced by deadline servers to boost only SCHED_NORMAL
> > tasks.
> >
> > Several users in the community have reported issues with RT stalling
> > sched_ext tasks. This is fairly common on distributions or environments
> > where applications like video compositors, audio services, etc. run as RT
> > tasks by default.
> >
> > Example trace (showing a per-CPU kthread stalled due to the sway Wayland
> > compositor running as an RT task):
> >
> > runnable task stall (kworker/0:0[106377] failed to run for 5.043s)
> > ...
> > CPU 0 : nr_run=3 flags=0xd cpu_rel=0 ops_qseq=20646200 pnt_seq=45388738
> > curr=sway[994] class=rt_sched_class
> > R kworker/0:0[106377] -5043ms
> > scx_state/flags=3/0x1 dsq_flags=0x0 ops_state/qseq=0/0
> > sticky/holding_cpu=-1/-1 dsq_id=0x8000000000000002 dsq_vtime=0 slice=20000000
> > cpus=01
> >
> > This is often perceived as a bug in the BPF schedulers, but in reality
> > schedulers can't do much: RT tasks run outside their control and can
> > potentially consume 100% of the CPU bandwidth.
> >
> > Fix this by adding a sched_ext deadline server, so that sched_ext tasks are
> > also boosted and do not suffer starvation.
> >
> > Two kselftests are also provided to verify the starvation fixes and
> > bandwidth allocation is correct.
>
> Peter, Juri, this has now been tested quite extensively on our side and
> we're considering applying these patches to Tejun's sched_ext branch.
>
> Do you have any objections or concerns?
Yeah, I want to finish this first:
https://lkml.kernel.org/r/20251101000057.GA2184199@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net
Because as is, the whole dl_server stuff isn't quite right.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-11-05 13:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-10-29 19:08 [PATCHSET v10 sched_ext/for-6.19] Add a deadline server for sched_ext tasks Andrea Righi
2025-10-29 19:08 ` [PATCH 01/11] sched/debug: Fix updating of ppos on server write ops Andrea Righi
2025-10-29 19:08 ` [PATCH 02/11] sched/debug: Stop and start server based on if it was active Andrea Righi
2025-11-06 7:13 ` Juri Lelli
2025-11-06 16:39 ` Andrea Righi
2025-11-07 6:51 ` Juri Lelli
2025-11-12 17:35 ` Andrea Righi
2025-10-29 19:08 ` [PATCH 03/11] sched/deadline: Clear the defer params Andrea Righi
2025-10-29 19:08 ` [PATCH 04/11] sched/deadline: Add support to initialize and remove dl_server bandwidth Andrea Righi
2025-11-06 9:49 ` Juri Lelli
2025-11-06 17:09 ` Andrea Righi
2025-11-07 13:53 ` Juri Lelli
2025-10-29 19:08 ` [PATCH 05/11] sched/deadline: Add a server arg to dl_server_update_idle_time() Andrea Righi
2025-10-29 19:08 ` [PATCH 06/11] sched_ext: Add a DL server for sched_ext tasks Andrea Righi
2025-11-06 10:59 ` Juri Lelli
2025-11-06 17:15 ` Andrea Righi
2025-10-29 19:08 ` [PATCH 07/11] sched/debug: Add support to change sched_ext server params Andrea Righi
2025-10-29 19:08 ` [PATCH 08/11] sched/deadline: Account ext server bandwidth Andrea Righi
2025-10-29 19:08 ` [PATCH 09/11] sched_ext: Selectively enable ext and fair DL servers Andrea Righi
2025-10-29 19:08 ` [PATCH 10/11] selftests/sched_ext: Add test for sched_ext dl_server Andrea Righi
2025-10-30 16:49 ` Christian Loehle
2025-10-30 16:57 ` Andrea Righi
2025-10-29 19:08 ` [PATCH 11/11] selftests/sched_ext: Add test for DL server total_bw consistency Andrea Righi
2025-10-30 17:00 ` [PATCHSET v10 sched_ext/for-6.19] Add a deadline server for sched_ext tasks Christian Loehle
2025-11-05 13:47 ` Andrea Righi
2025-11-05 13:59 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2025-11-05 14:20 ` Juri Lelli
2025-11-05 14:39 ` Andrea Righi
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