From: Fernand Sieber <sieberf@amazon.com>
To: <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: <aubrey.li@linux.intel.com>, <jstultz@google.com>,
<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <lkp@intel.com>,
<oe-lkp@lists.linux.dev>, <oliver.sang@intel.com>,
<sieberf@amazon.com>, <x86@kernel.org>, <yu.c.chen@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [tip:sched/core] [sched/fair] 79104becf4: BUG:kernel_NULL_pointer_dereference,address
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2025 12:54:01 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251106105401.220218-1-sieberf@amazon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251105122808.GK988547@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>
Hi Peter,
> But yeah, if the task holding your resource is doing yield() you're
> 'sad'. Basically a sched-fair yield() means: I've no fucking clue what
> I'm doing and lets hope we can make progress a little later.
>
> And it gets worse in the context of PI/proxy, because in that case your
> fair task can deadlock the system through sheer incompetence.
>
> Anyway, consider the PI case, we bump a fair task to FIFO and then
> yield() would do the FIFO yield -- with all the possible problems.
>
> And we want the same for proxy, if the boosting context is FIFO, we want
> a FIFO yield.
Alright, makes sense. Based on your suggestion I've submitted a patch:
lore.kernel.org/lkml/20251106104022.195157-1-sieberf@amazon.com/T/#u
This is essentially the same as your suggestion + handling of yield to and
scx.
Also confirmed no crashes with this patch + v3 of the vruntime forfeit patch
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20250918150528.292620-1-sieberf@amazon.com/
--Fernand
Amazon Development Centre (South Africa) (Proprietary) Limited
29 Gogosoa Street, Observatory, Cape Town, Western Cape, 7925, South Africa
Registration Number: 2004 / 034463 / 07
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-11-06 10:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-10-21 5:14 [tip:sched/core] [sched/fair] 79104becf4: BUG:kernel_NULL_pointer_dereference,address kernel test robot
2025-10-21 6:39 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-21 11:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-27 12:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-27 13:14 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-27 13:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-27 14:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-27 14:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-28 2:30 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-11-05 11:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-05 12:06 ` Philip Li
2025-11-07 10:16 ` Philip Li
2025-11-07 10:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-04 21:04 ` Fernand Sieber
2025-11-05 8:43 ` Fernand Sieber
2025-11-05 11:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-05 12:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-06 10:54 ` Fernand Sieber [this message]
2025-11-06 23:57 ` John Stultz
2025-11-07 8:18 ` Fernand Sieber
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2025-11-06 10:40 [PATCH] sched: Proxy yields to donor tasks Fernand Sieber
2025-11-06 10:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-07 6:54 ` kernel test robot
2025-11-07 8:12 ` Fernand Sieber
2025-11-07 8:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-11 11:37 ` [tip: sched/core] sched/proxy: Yield the donor task tip-bot2 for Fernand Sieber
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