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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Wei Wang <wei.w.wang@hotmail.com>
Cc: "alex@shazbot.org" <alex@shazbot.org>,
	"suravee.suthikulpanit@amd.com" <suravee.suthikulpanit@amd.com>,
	"thomas.lendacky@amd.com" <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>,
	"joro@8bytes.org" <joro@8bytes.org>,
	"kevin.tian@intel.com" <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"iommu@lists.linux.dev" <iommu@lists.linux.dev>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] vfio/type1: Set IOMMU_MMIO in dma->prot for MMIO-backed addresses
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2025 12:36:14 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251107163614.GN1732817@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <SI2PR01MB4393E3BBA776A1B9FC6400D4DCC3A@SI2PR01MB4393.apcprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>

On Fri, Nov 07, 2025 at 04:19:35PM +0000, Wei Wang wrote:
> On Friday, November 7, 2025 11:57 PM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 07, 2025 at 03:49:17PM +0000, Wei Wang wrote:
> >    > (are you aware of any real examples in use?)
> >    > VM_IO should indicate MMIO, yes, but we don't actually check that in
> >    > this type 1 path..
> 
> >    Is it because VFIO type1 didn’t need to check for MMIO before?
> >    (not sure how this impacts this patch adding the VM_IO check for MMIO
> >    :) )
> 
> > Okay, but it still doesn't mean it has to be decrypted..
> 
> I think "decrypted or not" is the job of the 1st patch. For now,
> MMIO cannot be encrypted, particularly not via sme_set(). If MMIO
> encryption is ever introduced in the future, a new flag (probably
> different from sme_me_mask) would need to be added.

The kernel is using "decrypted" as some weirdo code-word to mean the
memory is shared with the hypervisor. Only on AMD does it even have
anything to do with actual memory encryption.

However when I look at swiotlb and dma coherent mmap I see it calls
set_memory_decrypted(), uses pgprot_decrypted(), but still uses
__sme_set() when forming the iommu page table??

So why is that OK, but MMIO needs to avoid the sme_set() in the iommu
page table?

IOW I would like to hear from AMD some clear rules when sme_set needs
to be called and when it isn't.

Then we can decide if VM_IO is sufficient and so on.

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-07 16:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-03 14:00 [PATCH v2 0/2] iommu/amd: Avoid setting C-bit for MMIO addresses Wei Wang
2025-11-03 14:00 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] iommu/amd: Add IOMMU_PROT_IE flag for memory encryption Wei Wang
2025-11-07  1:02   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-07  2:39     ` Wei Wang
2025-11-10  9:55   ` Vasant Hegde
2025-11-11  1:18     ` Wei Wang
2025-11-11  4:44       ` Vasant Hegde
2025-11-03 14:00 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] vfio/type1: Set IOMMU_MMIO in dma->prot for MMIO-backed addresses Wei Wang
2025-11-07  1:03   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-07  2:38     ` Wei Wang
2025-11-07 14:16       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]         ` <SI2PR01MB4393E04163E5AC9FD45D56EFDCC3A@SI2PR01MB4393.apcprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>
2025-11-07 15:57           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-07 16:19             ` Wei Wang
2025-11-07 16:36               ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2025-11-07 17:56                 ` Tom Lendacky
2025-11-07 18:32                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-07 19:59                     ` Tom Lendacky
2025-11-10  6:28                       ` Wei Wang
2025-11-10  9:55                       ` Vasant Hegde
2025-11-18 14:36                       ` Jason Gunthorpe

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