From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Wei Wang <wei.w.wang@hotmail.com>
Cc: "alex@shazbot.org" <alex@shazbot.org>,
"suravee.suthikulpanit@amd.com" <suravee.suthikulpanit@amd.com>,
"thomas.lendacky@amd.com" <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>,
"joro@8bytes.org" <joro@8bytes.org>,
"kevin.tian@intel.com" <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"iommu@lists.linux.dev" <iommu@lists.linux.dev>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] vfio/type1: Set IOMMU_MMIO in dma->prot for MMIO-backed addresses
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2025 12:36:14 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251107163614.GN1732817@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <SI2PR01MB4393E3BBA776A1B9FC6400D4DCC3A@SI2PR01MB4393.apcprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>
On Fri, Nov 07, 2025 at 04:19:35PM +0000, Wei Wang wrote:
> On Friday, November 7, 2025 11:57 PM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 07, 2025 at 03:49:17PM +0000, Wei Wang wrote:
> > > (are you aware of any real examples in use?)
> > > VM_IO should indicate MMIO, yes, but we don't actually check that in
> > > this type 1 path..
>
> > Is it because VFIO type1 didn’t need to check for MMIO before?
> > (not sure how this impacts this patch adding the VM_IO check for MMIO
> > :) )
>
> > Okay, but it still doesn't mean it has to be decrypted..
>
> I think "decrypted or not" is the job of the 1st patch. For now,
> MMIO cannot be encrypted, particularly not via sme_set(). If MMIO
> encryption is ever introduced in the future, a new flag (probably
> different from sme_me_mask) would need to be added.
The kernel is using "decrypted" as some weirdo code-word to mean the
memory is shared with the hypervisor. Only on AMD does it even have
anything to do with actual memory encryption.
However when I look at swiotlb and dma coherent mmap I see it calls
set_memory_decrypted(), uses pgprot_decrypted(), but still uses
__sme_set() when forming the iommu page table??
So why is that OK, but MMIO needs to avoid the sme_set() in the iommu
page table?
IOW I would like to hear from AMD some clear rules when sme_set needs
to be called and when it isn't.
Then we can decide if VM_IO is sufficient and so on.
Jason
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-11-07 16:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-11-03 14:00 [PATCH v2 0/2] iommu/amd: Avoid setting C-bit for MMIO addresses Wei Wang
2025-11-03 14:00 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] iommu/amd: Add IOMMU_PROT_IE flag for memory encryption Wei Wang
2025-11-07 1:02 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-07 2:39 ` Wei Wang
2025-11-10 9:55 ` Vasant Hegde
2025-11-11 1:18 ` Wei Wang
2025-11-11 4:44 ` Vasant Hegde
2025-11-03 14:00 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] vfio/type1: Set IOMMU_MMIO in dma->prot for MMIO-backed addresses Wei Wang
2025-11-07 1:03 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-07 2:38 ` Wei Wang
2025-11-07 14:16 ` Jason Gunthorpe
[not found] ` <SI2PR01MB4393E04163E5AC9FD45D56EFDCC3A@SI2PR01MB4393.apcprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>
2025-11-07 15:57 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-07 16:19 ` Wei Wang
2025-11-07 16:36 ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2025-11-07 17:56 ` Tom Lendacky
2025-11-07 18:32 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-07 19:59 ` Tom Lendacky
2025-11-10 6:28 ` Wei Wang
2025-11-10 9:55 ` Vasant Hegde
2025-11-18 14:36 ` Jason Gunthorpe
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