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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Chris Mason <clm@meta.com>,
	Madadi Vineeth Reddy <vineethr@linux.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] sched/fair: Reimplement NEXT_BUDDY to align with EEVDF goals
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2025 13:13:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251114121349.GG4067720@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <q3krlyukweyfrabk2soxryx74mjl6yljqfm7nhfrhudbv47q4p@62unggrnbydk>

On Thu, Nov 13, 2025 at 09:04:38AM +0000, Mel Gorman wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2025 at 03:48:23PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 12, 2025 at 12:25:21PM +0000, Mel Gorman wrote:
> > 
> > > +	/* Prefer picking wakee soon if appropriate. */
> > > +	if (sched_feat(NEXT_BUDDY) &&
> > > +	    set_preempt_buddy(cfs_rq, wake_flags, pse, se)) {
> > > +
> > > +		/*
> > > +		 * Decide whether to obey WF_SYNC hint for a new buddy. Old
> > > +		 * buddies are ignored as they may not be relevant to the
> > > +		 * waker and less likely to be cache hot.
> > > +		 */
> > > +		if (wake_flags & WF_SYNC)
> > > +			preempt_action = preempt_sync(rq, wake_flags, pse, se);
> > > +	}
> > 
> > Why only do preempt_sync() when NEXT_BUDDY? Nothing there seems to
> > depend on buddies.
> 
> There isn't a direct relation, but there is an indirect one. I know from
> your previous review that you separated out the WF_SYNC but after a while,
> I did not find a good reason to separate it completely from NEXT_BUDDY.
> 
> NEXT_BUDDY updates cfs_rq->next if appropriate to indicate there is a waker
> relationship between two tasks and potentially share data that may still
> be cache resident after a context switch. WF_SYNC indicates there may be
> a strict relationship between those two tasks that the waker may need the
> wakee to do some work before it can make progress. If NEXT_BUDDY does not
> set cfs_rq->next in the current waking context then the wakee may only be
> picked next by coincidence under normal EEVDF rules.

Aah, fair enough. Perhaps the comment could've been clearer but
whatever.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-14 12:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-12 12:25 [PATCH 0/2 v5] Reintroduce NEXT_BUDDY for EEVDF Mel Gorman
2025-11-12 12:25 ` [PATCH 1/2] sched/fair: Enable scheduler feature NEXT_BUDDY Mel Gorman
2025-11-14 12:19   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Mel Gorman
2025-11-17 16:23   ` tip-bot2 for Mel Gorman
     [not found] ` <20251112122521.1331238-3-mgorman@techsingularity.net>
2025-11-12 14:48   ` [PATCH 2/2] sched/fair: Reimplement NEXT_BUDDY to align with EEVDF goals Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-13  8:26     ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2025-11-13  9:04     ` Mel Gorman
2025-11-14 12:13       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2025-11-14 12:19   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Mel Gorman
2025-11-17 16:23   ` tip-bot2 for Mel Gorman
2025-12-22 10:57     ` [REGRESSION] " Ryan Roberts
2026-01-02 12:38       ` Ryan Roberts
2026-01-02 15:52         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2026-01-05 11:45           ` Ryan Roberts
2026-01-05 14:38             ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-01-05 16:33               ` Ryan Roberts
2026-01-07 15:30             ` Dietmar Eggemann
2026-01-08  8:50               ` Mel Gorman
2026-01-08 13:15                 ` Ryan Roberts
2026-01-09 10:15                   ` Ryan Roberts
2026-01-12  7:47                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-12  8:52                       ` Ryan Roberts
2026-01-12  9:57                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-12 10:27                           ` Ryan Roberts
2026-01-13  6:31                         ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-01-15 10:16                     ` Mel Gorman
2026-01-08 10:01 ` [REGRESSION] [PATCH 0/2 v5] Reintroduce NEXT_BUDDY for EEVDF Madadi Vineeth Reddy
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2025-11-03 11:04 [PATCH 0/2 v4] " Mel Gorman
2025-11-03 11:04 ` [PATCH 2/2] sched/fair: Reimplement NEXT_BUDDY to align with EEVDF goals Mel Gorman
2025-11-03 14:07   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-03 14:14     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-05 21:48   ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2025-11-07  8:53     ` Mel Gorman
     [not found] <20251027133915.4103633-1-mgorman@techsingularity.net>
2025-10-27 13:39 ` Mel Gorman
2025-10-28 15:05   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-31  9:46     ` Mel Gorman
2025-10-28 15:09   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-31  9:48     ` Mel Gorman
2025-10-28 15:33   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-28 15:47     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-30  9:10   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-31 10:27     ` Mel Gorman
2025-10-21 14:28 [RFC PATCH 0/2] Reintroduce NEXT_BUDDY for EEVDF v2 Mel Gorman
2025-10-21 14:28 ` [PATCH 2/2] sched/fair: Reimplement NEXT_BUDDY to align with EEVDF goals Mel Gorman
2025-10-23  6:29   ` K Prateek Nayak
     [not found] <20250714134429.19624-1-mgorman@techsingularity.net>
2025-07-14 13:44 ` Mel Gorman

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