From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 671563043CC for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2025 19:17:05 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1764271026; cv=none; b=OUxtCml0knI/tEQ6of3G83xbBDkyO/LfKyLYrQhd9dmjkAZ1iOiKguzGnlOCAklCK7xZtDbZXIeJn40ZEu1XGR2evmGxb7urR7AbmGjOjtpAbrS+zTSeYMfjgr0uCl2WIXuU1zaH4qKehS2DUtLK/xU2ukVd9Ka5yIUEIhwkzG8= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1764271026; c=relaxed/simple; bh=CTaIZx3TPTCQU7Qtrk2ZVlkt8DjltysBLZiTjEs9JMo=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=ITiRwPAhaNmPslkaXC1osiGSe7gR633IUb+KP0VZlOd9pIUzr5uWsrWujkcyJ4aYEmz7NeErx2/q1L3huSO7zu4VhwolugE6CTSzw3q2j0KGpEVBd4HBLXbFrQRcYz7hdyTwH/8Imz/TmeKfk0asEHeHmX/EO3eeNDMHvAyy82c= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=kyGMlqmR; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="kyGMlqmR" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DCE02C4CEF8; Thu, 27 Nov 2025 19:17:04 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1764271024; bh=CTaIZx3TPTCQU7Qtrk2ZVlkt8DjltysBLZiTjEs9JMo=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=kyGMlqmRtQRpAhsOwTQrcFlvE9aVtX0vRUPOxb0rotwnUnQmlHHZIrz3jdrSGssaB kRbmCfTuwRO/TNRjg3IrSM2Pw12jpwt7HVCso7ZQVDiXbB/3TDBKyb/lPWMbyvr75k CQCekPexBl0eSQfinzb7UPDsL3QZOrqMGVMjaLb9DSY4be1RhRSppR+DMgeqwBey3P VOLYIAhEnBVSdLvHfOar2r1NE33tP9LurfK82ItVHBCebqK3+tRpXuK5HbufNl1Rzw UXbyz5O6iUO/nHaa3J693nNGfySyzjl8kvXsZU5+hekeR/H1N1FBx1v9RFXUiKQXT1 2z4WCndmrs92Q== Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2025 11:17:04 -0800 From: Kees Cook To: Ryan Roberts Cc: Ard Biesheuvel , Will Deacon , Arnd Bergmann , Jeremy Linton , Catalin Marinas , Mark Rutland , "linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org" , Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] kstack offset randomization: bugs and performance Message-ID: <202511271111.A9BC57E2C@keescook> References: <202511241250.EB2ADED@keescook> <202511262358.1B99951@keescook> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: On Thu, Nov 27, 2025 at 02:09:04PM +0000, Ryan Roberts wrote: > no: rip out kstack offset randomization Uh, no. There are system builders that have no problem with the current performance. The _feature_ must stay because it has users. Whether it is default-enabled, etc, sure, I have no problem with making changes there. Whatever we can do to make it better, I obviously welcome, but we can't remove it. -- Kees Cook