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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: mingo@kernel.org, vincent.guittot@linaro.org,
	Paul McKenney <paulmck@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, juri.lelli@redhat.com,
	dietmar.eggemann@arm.com, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	bsegall@google.com, mgorman@suse.de, vschneid@redhat.com,
	tj@kernel.org, void@manifault.com, arighi@nvidia.com,
	changwoo@igalia.com, sched-ext@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/5] sched: Change rcu_dereference_check_sched_domain() to rcu-sched
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2025 12:04:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251128110416.GR4068168@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251128105723.GZ4067720@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Fri, Nov 28, 2025 at 11:57:23AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 27, 2025 at 04:39:46PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > By changing rcu_dereference_check_sched_domain() to use
> > rcu_dereference_sched_check() it also considers preempt_disable() to
> > be equivalent to rcu_read_lock().
> > 
> > Since rcu fully implies rcu_sched this has absolutely no change in
> > behaviour, but it does allow removing a bunch of otherwise redundant
> > rcu_read_lock() noise.
> 
> This goes sideways with NUMABALANCING=y, it needs a little more. I'll
> have a poke.

Bah, so I overlooked that rcu_dereference_sched() checks
rcu_sched_lock_map while rcu_dereference() checks rcu_lock_map.

Paul, with RCU being unified, how much sense does it make that the rcu
validation stuff is still fully separated?

Case at hand, I'm trying to remove a bunch of
rcu_read_lock()/rcu_read_unlock() noise from deep inside the scheduler
where I know IRQs are disabled.

But the rcu checking thing is still living in the separated universe and
giving me pain.



  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-28 11:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-27 15:39 [PATCH 0/5] sched: Random collection of patches Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-27 15:39 ` [PATCH 1/5] sched/fair: Fold the sched_avg update Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-14  7:46   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-14  7:46   ` [tip: sched/core] <linux/compiler_types.h>: Add the __signed_scalar_typeof() helper tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-27 15:39 ` [PATCH 2/5] sched/fair: Avoid rq->lock bouncing in sched_balance_newidle() Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-29 18:59   ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-12-14  7:46   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-27 15:39 ` [PATCH 3/5] sched: Change rcu_dereference_check_sched_domain() to rcu-sched Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-28 10:57   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-28 11:04     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2025-11-28 11:21       ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-11-28 11:37         ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-14  7:46   ` [tip: sched/core] sched/fair: Remove superfluous rcu_read_lock() tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-27 15:39 ` [PATCH 4/5] sched: Add assertions to QUEUE_CLASS Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-14  7:46   ` [tip: sched/core] sched/core: " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-18 10:09   ` [PATCH 4/5] sched: " Marek Szyprowski
2025-12-18 10:12     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-27 15:39 ` [PATCH 5/5] sched: Rework sched_class::wakeup_preempt() and rq_modified_*() Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-28 13:26   ` Kuba Piecuch
2025-11-28 13:36     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-28 13:44       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-28 22:29   ` Andrea Righi
2025-11-29 18:08   ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-30 11:32     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-30 13:03       ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-12-02 23:27   ` Tejun Heo
2025-12-14  7:46   ` [tip: sched/core] sched/core: " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-15  6:07   ` error: implicit declaration of function ‘rq_modified_clear’ (was [PATCH 5/5] sched: Rework sched_class::wakeup_preempt() and rq_modified_*()) Thorsten Leemhuis
2025-12-15  7:12     ` Ingo Molnar
2025-12-15 11:51       ` Nathan Chancellor
2025-12-16  7:02         ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2025-12-16 18:40           ` Tejun Heo
2025-12-16 21:42             ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-17  9:58               ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-15  7:59   ` [tip: sched/core] sched/core: Rework sched_class::wakeup_preempt() and rq_modified_*() tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-17 10:02   ` tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra

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