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From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] fuse update for 6.19
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2025 03:10:41 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251206031041.GQ1712166@ZenIV> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251206022826.GP1712166@ZenIV>

On Sat, Dec 06, 2025 at 02:28:26AM +0000, Al Viro wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 05, 2025 at 05:52:51PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > On Fri, 5 Dec 2025 at 17:42, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > Far more interesting question, IMO, is what's to prevent memory
> > > pressure from evicting the damn argument right under us.
> > 
> > That was my first reaction, but look at the 'fuse_dentry_prune()' logic.
> > 
> > So if the dentry is removed by the VFS layer, it should be removed here too.
> 
> Sure, ->d_prune() would take it out of the rbtree, but what if it hits
>                                 rb_erase(&fd->node, &dentry_hash[i].tree);
>                                 RB_CLEAR_NODE(&fd->node);
>                                 spin_unlock(&dentry_hash[i].lock);
> ... right here, when we are not holding any locks anymore?
>                                 d_dispose_if_unused(fd->dentry, &dispose);
>                                 cond_resched();
>                                 spin_lock(&dentry_hash[i].lock);

... and with what fuse_dentry_prune() is doing, we can't grab ->d_lock
or bump ->d_count before dropping dentry_hash[...].lock.  ->d_release()
is the one called outside of ->d_lock; ->d_prune() is under it, so we'd
get AB-BA deadlock if we tried to do that kind of stuff.

Moving the eviction to ->d_release() might be doable; then we'd have
fuse locks outside of ->d_lock and could call that thing under those.

I'll need to poke around some more, but TBH I don't like that primitive -
it's really easy to fuck up and conditions for its safe use are, AFAICS,
never spelled out.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-12-06  3:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-12-04  8:25 [GIT PULL] fuse update for 6.19 Miklos Szeredi
2025-12-05 23:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-12-06  1:42   ` Al Viro
2025-12-06  1:52     ` Linus Torvalds
2025-12-06  2:28       ` Al Viro
2025-12-06  3:10         ` Al Viro [this message]
2025-12-06  3:29         ` Linus Torvalds
2025-12-06  3:54           ` Al Viro
2025-12-06  4:22             ` Al Viro
2025-12-08 10:37               ` Miklos Szeredi
2026-01-14 15:23               ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-12-06  0:17 ` pr-tracker-bot

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