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From: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>, Uros Bizjak <ubizjak@gmail.com>,
	Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com>,
	linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH 04/19] x86: Make the 64-bit bzImage always physically relocatable
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2026 10:47:46 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260112104746.6521740c@pumpkin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3f2e8d7c-6029-49ef-8e31-a3eb5efb385b@zytor.com>

On Sun, 11 Jan 2026 20:01:02 -0800
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com> wrote:

> On 2026-01-08 01:25, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> > On x86_64, the physical placement of the kernel is independent from its
> > mapping in the 'High Kernel Mapping' range. This means that even a
> > position dependent kernel built without boot-time relocation support can
> > run from any suitably aligned physical address, and there is no need to
> > make this behavior dependent on whether or not the kernel is virtually
> > relocatable.
> > 
> > On i386, the situation is different, given that the physical and virtual
> > load offsets must be equal, and so only a relocatable kernel can be
> > loaded at a physical address that deviates from its build-time default.
> > 
> > Clarify this in Kconfig and in the code, and advertise the 64-bit
> > bzImage as loadable at any physical offset regardless of whether
> > CONFIG_RELOCATABLE is set. In practice, this makes little difference,
> > given that it defaults to 'y' and is a prerequisite for EFI_STUB and
> > RANDOMIZE_BASE, but it will help with some future refactoring of the
> > relocation code.
> >   
> 
> I don't see any reason to support non-relocatable kernels anymore. In fact, in
> a patchset I am working on I have already removed it.

For just 64bit, or 32bit as well?
The 'bloat' for 32bit will be higher due to the lack of pc-relative
addressing.

	David

> 
> 	-hpa
> 
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-12 10:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-08  9:25 [RFC/RFT PATCH 00/19] Link the relocatable x86 kernel as PIE Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08  9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 01/19] x86/idt: Move idt_table to __ro_after_init section Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-22 13:08   ` Borislav Petkov
2026-01-22 13:48     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-22 13:58       ` Borislav Petkov
2026-01-22 14:09         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-22 14:16           ` Borislav Petkov
2026-01-22 14:20             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-22 14:25               ` Borislav Petkov
2026-01-08  9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 02/19] x86/sev: Don't emit BSS_DECRYPT section unless it is in use Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-31 14:09   ` [tip: x86/sev] x86/sev: Don't emit BSS_DECRYPTED " tip-bot2 for Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08  9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 03/19] x86: Combine .data with .bss in kernel mapping Ard Biesheuvel
2026-03-06 19:07   ` Borislav Petkov
2026-03-09 14:11     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08  9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 04/19] x86: Make the 64-bit bzImage always physically relocatable Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-12  4:01   ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-01-12 10:47     ` David Laight [this message]
2026-01-12 12:06       ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-01-08  9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 05/19] x86/efistub: Simplify early remapping of kernel text Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08  9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 06/19] alloc_tag: Use __ prefixed ELF section names Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08  9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 07/19] tools/objtool: Treat indirect ftrace calls as direct calls Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08  9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 08/19] x86: Use PIE codegen for the relocatable 64-bit kernel Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-09 21:34   ` Jan Engelhardt
2026-01-09 22:07     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08  9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 09/19] x86/pm-trace: Use RIP-relative accesses for .tracedata Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08  9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 10/19] x86/kvm: Use RIP-relative addressing Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-20 17:04   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-20 19:43     ` David Laight
2026-01-20 20:54       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-20 22:00         ` David Laight
2026-01-08  9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 11/19] x86/rethook: Use RIP-relative reference for fake return address Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08 12:08   ` David Laight
2026-01-08 12:10     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08 12:19       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08  9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 12/19] x86/sync_core: Use RIP-relative addressing Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08  9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 13/19] x86/entry_64: " Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08  9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 14/19] x86/hibernate: Prefer RIP-relative accesses Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08  9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 15/19] x64/acpi: Use PIC-compatible references in wakeup_64.S Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-09  5:01   ` Brian Gerst
2026-01-09  7:59     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-09 11:46       ` Brian Gerst
2026-01-09 12:09         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-09 12:10           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-09 12:51             ` Brian Gerst
2026-01-08  9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 16/19] x86/kexec: Use 64-bit wide absolute reference from relocated code Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08  9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 17/19] x86/head64: Avoid absolute references in startup asm Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08  9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 18/19] x86/boot: Implement support for RELA/RELR/REL runtime relocations Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08  9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 19/19] x86/kernel: Switch to PIE linking for the relocatable kernel Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08 16:35 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 00/19] Link the relocatable x86 kernel as PIE Alexander Lobakin
2026-01-09  0:36 ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-01-09  9:21   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-14 18:16     ` Kees Cook
2026-01-20 20:45       ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-01-21  8:56         ` Ard Biesheuvel

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