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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
To: Gao Xiang <hsiangkao@linux.alibaba.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, Hongbo Li <lihongbo22@huawei.com>,
	chao@kernel.org, djwong@kernel.org, amir73il@gmail.com,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-erofs@lists.ozlabs.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	oliver.yang@linux.alibaba.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v15 5/9] erofs: introduce the page cache share feature
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2026 06:39:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260123053936.GA24828@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <abb1f8f4-c5cd-416b-b346-046d3fa8408c@linux.alibaba.com>

On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 04:40:56PM +0800, Gao Xiang wrote:
>> Having multiple folios for the same piece of memory can't work,
>> at we'd have unsynchronized state.
>
> Why not just left unsynchronized state in a unique way,
> but just left mapping + indexing seperated.

That would not just require allocating the folios dynamically, but most
importantly splitting it up.  We'd then also need to find a way to chain
the folio_link structures from the main folio.  I'm not going to see this
might not happen, but it feels very far out there and might have all
kinds of issues.

>>>> I think the concept of using a backing file of some sort for the shared
>>>> pagecache (which I have no problem with at all), vs the imprecise
>>>
>>> In that way (actually Jingbo worked that approach in 2023),
>>> we have to keep the shared data physically contiguous and
>>> even uncompressed, which cannot work for most cases.
>>
>> Why does that matter?
>
> Sorry then, I think I don't get the point, but we really
> need this for the complete page cache sharing on the
> single physical machine.

Why do you need physically contigous space to share it that way?

>>
>>> On the other side, I do think `fingerprint` from design
>>> is much like persistent NFS file handles in some aspect
>>> (but I don't want to equal to that concept, but very
>>> similar) for a single trusted domain, we should have to
>>> deal with multiple filesystem sources and mark in a
>>> unique way in a domain.
>>
>> I don't really thing they are similar in any way.
>
> Why they are not similiar, you still need persistent IDs
> in inodes for multiple fses, if there are a
> content-addressable immutable filesystems working in
> inodes, they could just use inode hashs as file handles
> instead of inode numbers + generations.

Sure, if they are well defined, cryptographically secure hashes.  But
that's different from file handles, which don't address content at all,
but are just a handle to given file that bypasses the path lookup.

>
> Thanks,
> Gao Xiang
---end quoted text---

  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-23  5:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-16  9:55 [PATCH v15 0/9] erofs: Introduce page cache sharing feature Hongbo Li
2026-01-16  9:55 ` [PATCH v15 1/9] fs: Export alloc_empty_backing_file Hongbo Li
2026-01-16  9:55 ` [PATCH v15 2/9] erofs: decouple `struct erofs_anon_fs_type` Hongbo Li
2026-01-16 15:38   ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-19  1:34     ` Hongbo Li
2026-01-19  1:44       ` Gao Xiang
2026-01-19  2:23         ` Hongbo Li
2026-01-19  7:28         ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-16  9:55 ` [PATCH v15 3/9] erofs: support user-defined fingerprint name Hongbo Li
2026-01-16  9:55 ` [PATCH v15 4/9] erofs: support domain-specific page cache share Hongbo Li
2026-01-16  9:55 ` [PATCH v15 5/9] erofs: introduce the page cache share feature Hongbo Li
2026-01-16 15:46   ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-16 16:21     ` Gao Xiang
2026-01-19  7:29       ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-19  7:53         ` Gao Xiang
2026-01-19  8:12           ` Gao Xiang
2026-01-19  8:32           ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-19  8:52             ` Gao Xiang
2026-01-19  9:22               ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-19  9:38                 ` Gao Xiang
2026-01-19  9:53                   ` Gao Xiang
2026-01-20  3:07                   ` Gao Xiang
2026-01-20  6:52                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-20  7:19                       ` Gao Xiang
2026-01-22  8:33                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-22  8:40                           ` Gao Xiang
2026-01-23  5:39                             ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2026-01-23  5:58                               ` Gao Xiang
2026-01-20 13:40                       ` Christian Brauner
2026-01-20 14:11                         ` Gao Xiang
2026-01-20 12:29     ` Hongbo Li
2026-01-22 14:48       ` Hongbo Li
2026-01-23  6:19         ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-20 14:19   ` Gao Xiang
2026-01-20 14:33     ` Gao Xiang
2026-01-21  1:29     ` Hongbo Li
2026-01-16  9:55 ` [PATCH v15 6/9] erofs: pass inode to trace_erofs_read_folio Hongbo Li
2026-01-16  9:55 ` [PATCH v15 7/9] erofs: support unencoded inodes for page cache share Hongbo Li
2026-01-16  9:55 ` [PATCH v15 8/9] erofs: support compressed " Hongbo Li
2026-01-16  9:55 ` [PATCH v15 9/9] erofs: implement .fadvise " Hongbo Li
2026-01-16 15:46   ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-19  1:30     ` Hongbo Li
2026-01-16 15:36 ` [PATCH v15 0/9] erofs: Introduce page cache sharing feature Christoph Hellwig
2026-01-16 16:30   ` Gao Xiang
2026-01-16 16:43   ` Gao Xiang
2026-01-19  1:23     ` Hongbo Li

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