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From: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>
To: Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>
Cc: David Yang <mmyangfl@gmail.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, Aaron Conole <aconole@redhat.com>,
	Eelco Chaudron <echaudro@redhat.com>,
	Ilya Maximets <i.maximets@ovn.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	Simon Horman <horms@kernel.org>,
	dev@openvswitch.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v2 4/7] net: openvswitch: fix load tearing with u64_stats
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2026 19:18:55 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260126191855.04018872@pumpkin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANn89iJrDgD4J=mgWRcQMW70621OUV37hucj76ugZUXBLdy_VQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 19:35:38 +0100
Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 26, 2026 at 7:29 PM David Laight
> <david.laight.linux@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 24 Jan 2026 00:21:36 +0800
> > David Yang <mmyangfl@gmail.com> wrote:
> >  
> > > On 64bit arches, struct u64_stats_sync is empty and provides no help
> > > against load/store tearing. struct copying should not be considered
> > > tear-free. Use u64_stats_reads() instead.  
> >
> > Except that the compiler doesn't ever generate 'tearing accesses' for
> > aligned 64bit accesses on any 64bit architecture.
> > Similarly memcpy() won't generate problematic accesses.
> >
> > The problem is purely theoretical - the C language lets the compiler
> > split accesses, but it doesn't.  
> 
> Yeah, although we still have races that KCSAN can detect.
> 
> data_race() or READ_ONCE() would be necessary to avoid noisy KCSAN reports.
> 
> While many KCSAN reports are boring, some of them point to real bugs.
> 

Could something be put in u64_stats_fetch_begin() to stop KCSAN bleating?

With the way READ_ONCE and WRITE_ONCE now get enforced I do wonder if
some data shouldn't just be marked 'volatile'?
That would give 'non-tearing' accesses, but without the inter-cpu
ordering that (I think) READ/WRITE_ONCE also give.
For stats counters that is enough.

	David

  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-26 19:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-23 16:21 [PATCH net-next v2 0/7] u64_stats: Introduce u64_stats_reads() David Yang
2026-01-23 16:21 ` [PATCH net-next v2 1/7] " David Yang
2026-01-23 16:21 ` [PATCH net-next v2 2/7] u64_stats: Doc incorrect usage with plain variables David Yang
2026-01-23 16:21 ` [PATCH net-next v2 3/7] net: bridge: mcast: fix memcpy with u64_stats David Yang
2026-01-23 16:21 ` [PATCH net-next v2 4/7] net: openvswitch: fix load tearing " David Yang
2026-01-24  0:49   ` kernel test robot
2026-01-26 12:25   ` Ilya Maximets
2026-01-26 18:29   ` David Laight
2026-01-26 18:35     ` Eric Dumazet
2026-01-26 19:18       ` David Laight [this message]
2026-01-23 16:21 ` [PATCH net-next v2 5/7] macsec: fix memcpy " David Yang
2026-01-23 16:21 ` [PATCH net-next v2 6/7] mpls: Fix load tearing " David Yang
2026-01-23 16:21 ` [PATCH net-next v2 7/7] vxlan: vnifilter: fix memcpy " David Yang

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