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From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: "Thomas Weißschuh" <thomas.weissschuh@linutronix.de>
Cc: "Eric Dumazet" <edumazet@google.com>,
	"Kuniyuki Iwashima" <kuniyu@google.com>,
	"Paolo Abeni" <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	"Willem de Bruijn" <willemb@google.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"Simon Horman" <horms@kernel.org>,
	"Shuah Khan" <shuah@kernel.org>,
	"Matthieu Baerts" <matttbe@kernel.org>,
	"Mat Martineau" <martineau@kernel.org>,
	"Geliang Tang" <geliang@kernel.org>,
	"Mickaël Salaün" <mic@digikod.net>,
	"Günther Noack" <gnoack@google.com>,
	"Alexei Starovoitov" <ast@kernel.org>,
	"Daniel Borkmann" <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	"Jesper Dangaard Brouer" <hawk@kernel.org>,
	"John Fastabend" <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	"Stanislav Fomichev" <sdf@fomichev.me>,
	"Andrii Nakryiko" <andrii@kernel.org>,
	"Martin KaFai Lau" <martin.lau@linux.dev>,
	"Eduard Zingerman" <eddyz87@gmail.com>,
	"Song Liu" <song@kernel.org>,
	"Yonghong Song" <yonghong.song@linux.dev>,
	"KP Singh" <kpsingh@kernel.org>, "Hao Luo" <haoluo@google.com>,
	"Jiri Olsa" <jolsa@kernel.org>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, "Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, mptcp@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
	libc-alpha@sourceware.org, "Carlos O'Donell" <carlos@redhat.com>,
	"Adhemerval Zanella" <adhemerval.zanella@linaro.org>,
	"Rich Felker" <dalias@libc.org>,
	klibc@zytor.com, "Florian Weimer" <fweimer@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v2 0/4] net: uapi: Provide an UAPI definition of 'struct sockaddr'
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2026 09:25:17 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260131092517.6639d84c@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3c46fc49-b41b-44a2-b42a-669cc7e6bb02@linutronix.de>

On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 11:26:32 +0100 Thomas Weißschuh wrote:
> Jan 30, 2026 17:17:46 Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>:
> 
> > On Fri, 30 Jan 2026 11:34:15 +0100 Thomas Weißschuh wrote:  
> >> Some of them get broken by the new 'struct sockaddr', but some others are
> >> already broken just by the new transitive inclusion of libc-compat.h.
> >> So any header starting to use the compatibility machinery may trigger breakage
> >> in code including UAPI headers before libc header, even for completely new type
> >> definitions which themselves would not conflict with libc.  
> >
> > Let's split the uAPI header changes from any selftest changes.
> > If you're saying the the selftests no longer build after the uAPI
> > header changes then of course we can't apply the patches.  
> 
> Yes, the selftests don't build anymore after the uAPI changes.
> 
> "can't apply" as in
> * "can't apply separately"
> * "are unacceptable in general"

this one

> * "are too late for this cycle"
> ?
> 
> None of this is urgent.
> We can do the selftests in one cycle and the uAPI in another one.
> Feel free to pick up the patches as you see fit.
> (The mptcp changes already go through their tree, so need to be dropped here)
> I can also resubmit the patches differently if preferred.

The selftests are just a canary in the coalmine. If we break a bunch of
selftests chances are we'll also break compilation of real applications
for people. Subjective, but I don't see a sufficient upside here to do
that.

FWIW the typelimits change broke compilation of ethtool, we'll see if
anyone "outside kernel community itself" complains.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-31 17:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-20 14:10 [PATCH net-next v2 0/4] net: uapi: Provide an UAPI definition of 'struct sockaddr' Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-20 14:10 ` [PATCH net-next v2 1/4] selftests: net: Move some UAPI header inclusions after libc ones Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-26 18:13   ` Matthieu Baerts
2026-01-30 10:22     ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-30 10:39       ` Matthieu Baerts
2026-01-20 14:10 ` [PATCH net-next v2 2/4] selftests/landlock: " Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-20 21:46   ` Mickaël Salaün
2026-01-20 14:10 ` [PATCH net-next v2 3/4] samples/bpf: " Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-20 14:10 ` [PATCH net-next v2 4/4] net: uapi: Provide an UAPI definition of 'struct sockaddr' Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-22  3:27 ` [PATCH net-next v2 0/4] " Jakub Kicinski
2026-01-30 10:34   ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-30 16:17     ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-01-31 10:26       ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-31 17:25         ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2026-02-03 11:42           ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-03 22:40             ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-02-04  5:51               ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-05  1:55                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-02-09 13:34                   ` Thomas Weißschuh

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