From: Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@collabora.com>
To: "Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>
Cc: "Philipp Stanner" <phasta@mailbox.org>,
phasta@kernel.org, "David Airlie" <airlied@gmail.com>,
"Simona Vetter" <simona@ffwll.ch>,
"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>, "Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
"Daniel Almeida" <daniel.almeida@collabora.com>,
"Joel Fernandes" <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 3/4] rust/drm: Add DRM Jobqueue
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2026 13:51:37 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260211135137.25242462@fedora> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DGC4VCT5JRD8.32Y99ERIGUTSW@kernel.org>
On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 13:32:26 +0100
"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org> wrote:
> On Wed Feb 11, 2026 at 1:10 PM CET, Boris Brezillon wrote:
> > On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 12:19:04 +0100
> > "Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed Feb 11, 2026 at 12:07 PM CET, Boris Brezillon wrote:
> >> > I try to avoid using concepts the language I rely on is not friendly
> >> > with.
> >>
> >> It's not really a language limitation. For instance, you can implement lists the
> >> exact same way as they can be implemented in C. It's more that a memory safe
> >> list implementation is quite tricky in general.
> >
> > That's what I mean by trickier to use, they are because of rust safety.
>
> Yeah, we agree on this. What I don't agree with is the "avoid using concepts"
> part, because it came across in an unconditional way.
Well, I guess that's me approaching problems differently then. I
usually consider that, if a language makes my life harder to do
something, there are good reasons, and there's probably alternatives
(with different paradigms) to do the same thing. At least that's my
first reaction. It might be that after further investigation, that's
just how it is, and I have to live with the extra complexity. But yeah,
I stand to my original statement: if something is complex, I'll always
investigate other options before going for the hard way.
>
> > And again, that's not a case for saying "nah, rust is not a good fit, it
> > can't do easy-to-use-lists", but rather a good opportunity to think
> > twice about the containers we want to use.
>
> I think I never implied that you were saying anything along the lines of "rust
> is not a good fit" in any way. No idea where this comes from. :)
That one was more referring to Philipp's reply, where he was saying
some people dismiss rust because of lists, and I wanted to make it
clear that's not what this about here.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-02-11 12:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-02-03 8:13 [RFC PATCH 0/4] Add dma_fence abstractions and DRM Jobqueue Philipp Stanner
2026-02-03 8:14 ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] rust: list: Add unsafe for container_of Philipp Stanner
2026-02-03 15:25 ` Gary Guo
2026-02-04 10:30 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-03 8:14 ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] rust: sync: Add dma_fence abstractions Philipp Stanner
2026-02-05 8:57 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-06 10:23 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-09 8:19 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-09 14:58 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-10 8:16 ` Christian König
2026-02-10 8:38 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-10 9:06 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-10 9:54 ` Christian König
2026-02-10 9:15 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-10 10:15 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-10 10:36 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-10 10:46 ` Christian König
2026-02-10 11:40 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-10 12:28 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 9:57 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-11 10:08 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-11 10:28 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 10:20 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 11:00 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-11 11:12 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 14:38 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-11 15:00 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 15:05 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-11 15:14 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 15:16 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-03-13 17:27 ` Matthew Brost
2026-02-10 10:46 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-10 11:34 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-10 11:45 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-10 12:21 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-10 13:34 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-10 12:36 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-10 13:15 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-10 13:26 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-10 13:49 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-10 13:56 ` Christian König
2026-02-10 14:00 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-10 14:06 ` Christian König
2026-02-10 15:32 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-10 15:50 ` Christian König
2026-02-10 15:07 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-10 15:45 ` Christian König
2026-02-11 8:16 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-17 14:03 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-17 14:09 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-17 14:22 ` Christian König
2026-02-17 14:28 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-17 14:44 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-03-13 23:20 ` Matthew Brost
2026-02-17 15:01 ` Christian König
2026-02-18 9:50 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-18 10:48 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-10 12:49 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-10 12:56 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-10 13:26 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-10 13:51 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-10 14:11 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-10 14:50 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 8:16 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-11 9:20 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-10 9:26 ` Christian König
2026-02-05 10:16 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-05 13:16 ` Gary Guo
2026-02-06 9:32 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-06 10:16 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-06 13:24 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-06 11:04 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-09 8:21 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-06 11:23 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-09 11:30 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-03 8:14 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] rust/drm: Add DRM Jobqueue Philipp Stanner
2026-02-10 14:57 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 10:47 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-11 11:07 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 11:19 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-11 12:10 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 12:32 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-11 12:51 ` Boris Brezillon [this message]
2026-02-11 11:19 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-11 11:59 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 12:14 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-11 12:24 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 12:22 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-11 12:44 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-11 12:52 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-11 13:53 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-11 15:28 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-11 12:45 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-11 13:45 ` Gary Guo
2026-02-11 14:07 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 15:17 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-11 15:20 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-11 15:51 ` Boris Brezillon
2026-02-11 15:53 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-11 15:54 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-11 15:33 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-03 8:14 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] samples: rust: Add jobqueue tester Philipp Stanner
2026-02-03 16:46 ` [RFC PATCH 0/4] Add dma_fence abstractions and DRM Jobqueue Daniel Almeida
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