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From: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>
To: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>
Cc: ubizjak@gmail.com, bp@alien8.de, dave.hansen@linux.intel.com,
	hpa@zytor.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	mingo@kernel.org, pbonzini@redhat.com, seanjc@google.com,
	tglx@kernel.org, x86@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] KVM: VMX: Drop obsolete branch hint prefixes from inline asm
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2026 21:35:49 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260211213549.1837bb50@pumpkin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5276256b-9669-46df-8fcd-b216f3d3e45b@citrix.com>

On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 13:55:35 +0000
Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> wrote:

> On 11/02/2026 1:43 pm, David Laight wrote:
> > On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 10:57:31 +0000
> > Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> wrote:
> >  
> >>> Remove explicit branch hint prefixes (.byte 0x2e / 0x3e) from VMX
> >>> inline assembly sequences.
> >>>
> >>> These prefixes (CS/DS segment overrides used as branch hints on
> >>> very old x86 CPUs) have been ignored by modern processors for a
> >>> long time. Keeping them provides no measurable benefit and only
> >>> enlarges the generated code.    
> >> It's actually worse than this.
> >>
> >> The branch-taken hint has new meaning in Lion Cove cores and later,
> >> along with a warning saying "performance penalty for misuse".
> >>
> >> i.e. "only insert this prefix after profiling".  
> > Don't they really have much the same meaning as before?  
> 
> Architecturally yes, microarchitecturally very much not.
> 
> For a branch known to the predictor, there is no effect.  If a branch
> unknown to the predictor gets decoded, it triggers a frontend flush and
> resteer.

That'll be 'decoded taken'.
I suspect that it is less 'painful' than a normal mispredict since it happens
as lot earlier.
Of course, if you get it wrong, there will be a mispredict penalty as well.

	David

> It is only useful for programs large enough to exceed the working set of
> the conditional predictor, and for which certain branches are known to
> be ~always taken.
> 
> Putting the prefix on a branch that isn't ~always taken is worse than
> not having the prefix in the first place, hence the warning.
> 
> ~Andrew
> 


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-02-11 21:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-11 10:28 [PATCH 1/2] KVM: VMX: Drop obsolete branch hint prefixes from inline asm Uros Bizjak
2026-02-11 10:28 ` [PATCH 2/2] KVM: VMX: Use ASM_INPUT_RM in __vmcs_writel Uros Bizjak
2026-02-25 19:02   ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-02-11 10:57 ` [PATCH 1/2] KVM: VMX: Drop obsolete branch hint prefixes from inline asm Andrew Cooper
2026-02-11 13:36   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-11 13:43   ` David Laight
2026-02-11 13:55     ` Andrew Cooper
2026-02-11 15:44       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-11 16:11         ` Andrew Cooper
2026-02-11 16:17           ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-11 16:46             ` Andrew Cooper
2026-02-11 16:49               ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-11 21:35       ` David Laight [this message]
2026-03-05 17:08 ` Sean Christopherson
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2026-02-12  5:33 Christian Ludloff
2026-02-12 16:18 ` Andrew Cooper

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