From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
"Gautham R . Shenoy" <gautham.shenoy@amd.com>,
Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
Chen Yu <yu.c.chen@intel.com>, Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
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Shrikanth Hegde <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>,
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Tingyin Duan <tingyin.duan@gmail.com>,
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Adam Li <adamli@os.amperecomputing.com>,
Aaron Lu <ziqianlu@bytedance.com>,
Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@intel.com>, Josh Don <joshdon@google.com>,
Gavin Guo <gavinguo@igalia.com>,
Qais Yousef <qyousef@layalina.io>,
Libo Chen <libchen@purestorage.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Patch v4 17/22] sched/cache: Avoid cache-aware scheduling for memory-heavy processes
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2026 14:46:42 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260409124642.GC3126523@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <339bb2636c7306e17540268a9295a8e673b92804.1775065312.git.tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
On Wed, Apr 01, 2026 at 02:52:29PM -0700, Tim Chen wrote:
> From: Chen Yu <yu.c.chen@intel.com>
>
> Prateek and Tingyin reported that memory-intensive workloads (such as
> stream) can saturate memory bandwidth and caches on the preferred LLC
> when sched_cache aggregates too many threads.
>
> To mitigate this, estimate a process's memory footprint by comparing
> its RSS (anonymous and shared pages) to the size of the LLC. If RSS
> exceeds the LLC size, skip cache-aware scheduling.
>
> Note that RSS is only an approximation of the memory footprint.
> By default, the comparison is strict, but a later patch will allow
> users to provide a hint to adjust this threshold.
>
> According to the test from Adam, some systems do not have shared L3
> but with shared L2 as clusters. In this case, the L2 becomes the LLC[1].
This is pretty terrible. If you want LLC size, add it to the topology
information (and ideally integrate with RDT) and make proportional to
cpumask size, such that if someone cuts the domain in pieces, they get
proportional size etc.
Also, if we have NUMA_BALANCING on, that can provide a much better
estimate for the actual size.
Just using RSS seems like a very bad metric here.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-04-09 12:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-04-01 21:52 [Patch v4 00/22] Cache aware scheduling Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 01/22] sched/cache: Introduce infrastructure for cache-aware load balancing Tim Chen
2026-04-09 12:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-09 19:21 ` Tim Chen
2026-04-09 23:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 02/22] sched/cache: Limit the scan number of CPUs when calculating task occupancy Tim Chen
2026-04-09 13:17 ` Luo Gengkun
2026-04-09 13:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 03/22] sched/cache: Record per LLC utilization to guide cache aware scheduling decisions Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 04/22] sched/cache: Introduce helper functions to enforce LLC migration policy Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 05/22] sched/cache: Make LLC id continuous Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 06/22] sched/cache: Assign preferred LLC ID to processes Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 07/22] sched/cache: Track LLC-preferred tasks per runqueue Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 08/22] sched/cache: Introduce per CPU's tasks LLC preference counter Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 09/22] sched/cache: Calculate the percpu sd task LLC preference Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 10/22] sched/cache: Count tasks prefering destination LLC in a sched group Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 11/22] sched/cache: Check local_group only once in update_sg_lb_stats() Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 12/22] sched/cache: Prioritize tasks preferring destination LLC during balancing Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 13/22] sched/cache: Add migrate_llc_task migration type for cache-aware balancing Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 14/22] sched/cache: Handle moving single tasks to/from their preferred LLC Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 15/22] sched/cache: Respect LLC preference in task migration and detach Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 16/22] sched/cache: Disable cache aware scheduling for processes with high thread counts Tim Chen
2026-04-09 12:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-09 19:27 ` Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 17/22] sched/cache: Avoid cache-aware scheduling for memory-heavy processes Tim Chen
2026-04-09 12:46 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2026-04-09 12:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 18/22] sched/cache: Enable cache aware scheduling for multi LLCs NUMA node Tim Chen
2026-04-09 13:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-09 19:39 ` Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 19/22] sched/cache: Allow the user space to turn on and off cache aware scheduling Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 20/22] sched/cache: Add user control to adjust the aggressiveness of cache-aware scheduling Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 21/22] -- DO NOT APPLY!!! -- sched/cache/debug: Display the per LLC occupancy for each process via proc fs Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 22/22] -- DO NOT APPLY!!! -- sched/cache/debug: Add ftrace to track the load balance statistics Tim Chen
2026-04-09 13:54 ` [Patch v4 00/22] Cache aware scheduling Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-09 20:02 ` Tim Chen
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